Unc/uri

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My bone of contention is that it is taking multiple viewings of the play for folks to get an opinion of the play and there is still no consensus.

And I wouldn't be that surprised if different college-level evaluators after multiple viewings might also fail to come to a consensus.

And my personal opinion is that when there's doubt, go to the "no call" and hope that you get an evaluator that agrees with you.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Sorry I have to disagree, I didn't need replay. My buddy said hey look at this play and I turn my head, see it once and said foul. easy tripping foul, and its even a POE. You could not be more supported. If they call that foul I guarantee you it would have been on the clips that John Adams will show at the beginning of next season showing officials following the POE guidelines, even at a crucial point in a game.

Where is the POE that concerns this play?? Did it come out directly from the NCAA or is it in the rule book POE's

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by cmathews

Where is the POE that concerns this play?? Did it come out directly from the NCAA or is it in the rule book POE's

Its been one of John Adams' "absolutes" all year! When a player is tripped and it causes him to lose the ball, it should be deemed a foul. Or at least those are the words that came out of his mouth in Atlanta at the meeting.

[cmathews]

I was just curious because it isn't in the rule book POE's

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Its been one of John Adams' "absolutes" all year! When a player is tripped and it causes him to lose the ball, it should be deemed a foul. Or at least those are the words that came out of his mouth in Atlanta at the meeting.

Which leads me to think the official had a really good reason for pulling his hand back down; like maybe he felt the push caused the trip and calling the push would give the fouling team an advantage not intended by the rules. Just guessing, though.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And I wouldn't be that surprised if different college-level evaluators after multiple viewings might also fail to come to a consensus.

And my personal opinion is that when there's doubt, go to the "no call" and hope that you get an evaluator that agrees with you.

It must be the heat I experienced last week, but yet again we agree!! While I am in the tripping foul camp as stated earlier, but I agree with the when in doubt no call philosophy. Sort of just b/c it LOOKS like a travel, ie player grasping the loose ball and sliding across the floor, doesn't mean it is. Also, as a teaching point that type of play will stick in your head and if you are corrected by an evaluator you will have a better grasp of what to do next time and why!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by cmathews

I was just curious because it isn't in the rule book POE's

It's discussed in the preseason video the NCAA puts out.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Which leads me to think the official had a really good reason for pulling his hand back down; like maybe he felt the push caused the trip and calling the push would give the fouling team an advantage not intended by the rules. Just guessing, though.

I haven't said anything about this, but I didn't even see Ed Corbett flinch at the play. Ill watch again later tonight, but I remember watching and he didn't do anything! When u "chicken wing" a no call, your hand makes it way farther than your hip. That could have been the start of a run for all we know.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I haven't said anything about this, but I didn't even see Ed Corbett flinch at the play. Ill watch again later tonight, but I remember watching and he didn't do anything! When u "chicken wing" a no call, your hand makes it way farther than your hip. That could have been the start of a run for all we know.

Could have been, but he was in mid run at the time. I've stopped many a hand raise right around the waist line; other times I end up pulling a Fonz. I'll go back and watch it again.

[Adam]

after further review, it's very unclear. Looking at the timing more closely, his arm goes up a bit late it seems for it to be what I was thinking. After watching the shorter video, I'm even more convinced he was pushed into the contact. The arms even follow through on the push.

[Pantherdreams]

I'm having trouble seeing how any official on the floor could have possibly had a clear line on contact causing a clear and immediate adv/dis in this situation. Without better line of sight for someone on something more conclusive I can see the no call here.