You make the call

Pantherdreams · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 24, 2010, 11:51am

Not to be splitting hairs but . . .

These are Canadian University players, so like our local kids play FIBA rules. The only calls for fouls can personal foul, unsportsmanlike or technical. Since tech's are for non-contact issues its not a tech. That means personal or unsportsmanlike.

Its only unsportsmanlike if he is not making a basketball play and/or the contact is excessive to the situation. If you look at the play in the context of the contact going on during the rebounding situation (where even the player who ended up getting decked) was tossing so bows and forearms and combine that with the fact that he was pivoting up court to make the play. I don't think it meets the criteria for unsportsmanlike.

So in the end I've still got a personal foul that was well drawn by the defense, and lot of the rest of this conversation is becoming more and more hypothetical and philosophical then pertains to the actual incident.

mbyron · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 24, 2010, 07:08pm

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

These are Canadian University players, so like our local kids play FIBA rules. The only calls for fouls can personal foul, unsportsmanlike or technical. Since tech's are for non-contact issues its not a tech. That means personal or unsportsmanlike.

FIBA, right, well -- who can say?

I suppose I was thinking what I would call if I saw this in one of my games, not what FIBA officials should call. I'm not competent to answer the latter question.

Rich · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 24, 2010, 07:13pm

We have 13 people who think an elbow to the chops is worth nothing.

Could some of you come out and tell us what we're (actually you're) missing here?

Nevadaref · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 24, 2010, 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

We have 13 people who think an elbow to the chops is worth nothing.

Could some of you come out and tell us what we're (actually you're) missing here?

Teeth

Camron Rust · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 24, 2010, 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

We have 13 people who think an elbow to the chops is worth nothing.

Could some of you come out and tell us what we're (actually you're) missing here?

They are using a text based browser...no video support.

DLH17 · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 08:12am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

We have 13 people who think an elbow to the chops is worth nothing.

Could some of you come out and tell us what we're (actually you're) missing here?

Make it 12. I should have restrained from voting until after this discussion progressed. When I first watched the video, it seemed as though the back of the forearm got the defender moreso than an elbow.

Raymond · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 08:30am

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Originally Posted by DLH17

Make it 12. I should have restrained from voting until after this discussion progressed. When I first watched the video, it seemed as though the back of the forearm got the defender moreso than an elbow.

You would make Lester Hayes and Deion Sanders proud.

DLH17 · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 08:38am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You would make Lester Hayes and Deion Sanders proud.

Wow, you just made my day!

Camron Rust · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17

Make it 12. I should have restrained from voting until after this discussion progressed. When I first watched the video, it seemed as though the back of the forearm got the defender moreso than an elbow.

And that would have made a difference?

DLH17 · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And that would have made a difference?

First few viewings it looked like he barely got him with the back of his forearm/defender made a show. Had to watch it a couple dozen times to be convinced the video showed actual contact to the defender.

If there was no contact, I would have passed.

Jurassic Referee · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 05:41pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17

First few viewings it looked like he barely got him with the back of his forearm/defender made a show. Had to watch it a couple dozen times to be convinced the video showed actual contact to the defender.

Oh my.....

And Lah me.....

A Pennsylvania Coach · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

We have 13 people who think an elbow to the chops is worth nothing.

Could some of you come out and tell us what we're (actually you're) missing here?

What would be a common foul that I'm ignoring because the ball is dead due to the traveling violation.

Rich · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What would be a common foul that I'm ignoring because the ball is dead due to the traveling violation.

And that would be a terrible call. Period.

BBall_Junkie · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

And that would be a terrible call. Period.

Three periods in a row. You must have this confused with the hockey forum. We discuss basketball here.

Rich · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 25, 2010, 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Three periods in a row. You must have this confused with the hockey forum. We discuss basketball here.

Sorry.

That would be a terrible call. Quarter. (Or is it.....Half.)?

Or maybe I'm thinking about the hockey game I'll be watching tonight.

Oh wait, I get it now.

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