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Offensive foul 53 77.94%
No-call 15 22.06%
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Old Mon Mar 22, 2010, 09:20am
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Great call....but I think we're missing the real topic of discussion here, those are some cool a$$ shirts the Canadian officials wear! I'm moving!!!
True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.
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True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.
I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!
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Old Mon Mar 22, 2010, 12:31pm
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Just because it was a "basketball move" doesn't make it legal. Great call, great example of announcer cluelessness.
I don't see anyone on this board saying that being a "basketball move" makes it legal, just not flagrant. (perhaps you're referring to the announcers words which I didn't listen to).

I do see an obvious PC foul. I just don't see a flagrant.

He didn't aim, he didn't wind up, he just pivot with his arms up as is the case through the whole game. He just happened to have a defender step into that same space at the wrong time.
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Just because it was a "basketball move" doesn't make it legal. Great call, great example of announcer cluelessness.
In the process of explaining this to an irate coach this is an issue of LGP, right?
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In the process of explaining this to an irate coach this is an issue of LGP, right?
Use "verticality". The same concepts apply in both FED and NCAA rules. A player with the ball can't clear out or cause illegal contact within the defender's vertical plane.

NFHS rule 4-44-5 and NCAA rule 4-74-1(e)
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In the process of explaining this to an irate coach this is an issue of LGP, right?
"He clocked him with his elbow."

I guess I don't feel the need to explain more than that.
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Old Mon Mar 22, 2010, 03:01pm
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This play was correctly called as an offensive foul.

I agree that we have to think about upgrading this to flagrant. I don't know FIBA rules, but this is a great opportunity to go to the monitor if that is available to the crew.
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I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!
I love 'em, and I'm old school.
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Old Mon Mar 22, 2010, 04:25pm
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I don't see anyone on this board saying that being a "basketball move" makes it legal, just not flagrant. (perhaps you're referring to the announcers words which I didn't listen to).

I do see an obvious PC foul. I just don't see a flagrant.

He didn't aim, he didn't wind up, he just pivot with his arms up as is the case through the whole game. He just happened to have a defender step into that same space at the wrong time.
Sorry, I was referring to announcer-speak and was actually thinking along your lines; "basketball moves" has no bearing on whether it's a foul or not; only on the level of foul.

I would only quibble by saying the defender was in that space before he pivoted in.
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Flagrant...no way. Pretty good sales job by the defender too. He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him. Offensive player pivoted his entire body. Contact was inevitable. Mess with the bull - you might get the horns. Way to take one for the team.
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I don't think there is anything to debate, much less make a poll. If you had flagrant - non flagrant as the options then it would be legitimate.

If you are one of the 7 who said "no call" please let us know so I know not to work with you ever.

As an aside... for the Canadian version of the Final Four, there sure aren't many in attendance.
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He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him.
And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?
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Old Mon Mar 22, 2010, 05:56pm
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I do see an obvious PC foul. I just don't see a flagrant.
The latest instruction coming out from John Adams is that these fouls need to be called flagrant. This hasn't been well publicized yet, but if you keep an eye out this summer you will hear about it.
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Old Mon Mar 22, 2010, 05:59pm
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All 7 votes came from the coach of the white team...
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And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?
He's one of those "you have to give him his space" guys.
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