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Originally Posted by Odd Duck (Post 668315)

Team A and the officiating crew are on the floor before the start of the 1A state championship game. Team B comes running out with just under 10 minutes on the clock before the start of the game. The second player in their lay-up drill (call him B1) decides that dunk is called for and appropriate...in fact, it was a nice dunk and got a nice reaction from the crowd. The umpire clearly saw the dunk. How, you may ask, do I believe that to be true from my seat in the stands? Because he immediately walked over to the player, put his hand on his back and talked to him. I assumed he was informing the player he had been assessed a techinical foul and getting his number for recording purposes. However, game time arrived and it started with the normal toss.

What are your thoughts.

No brainer imo. If it's an obvious dunk, a technical foul should have been called. But after saying that, I do agree with M&M also. There might be a reason that the dunk wasn't called. There may have been instructions given to the crew beforehand. So, without talking to the official involved, the "might" and "may" means there is possibly a slight doubt involved.

Put me down with M&M as being slightly wishy-washy also.

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 668352)

Put me down with M&M as being slightly wishy-washy also.

Hey, I'm not wishy-washy. At least I don't think I am. Well, maybe. Or not?

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 668355)

Hey, I'm not wishy-washy. At least I don't think I am. Well, maybe. Or not?

Maybe you're just washy. :)

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 668359)

Maybe you're just washy. :)

You wish.

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 668360)

You wish.

Hey - some of my best friends are you wish. :D

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 668319)

That's a little harsh even for you! I mean, to do it in a public square?

Sheesh, how are we ever going to develop new officials that way? ;)

We breed 'em around here!

The Men Are All Crazy About The Lady In Red ...

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Originally Posted by CLH (Post 668328)

Only whistles AT me.

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Originally Posted by Odd Duck (Post 668315)

Let me preface this by stating that we in Texas spent the entire season hearing from the UIL how important it was that we knew the rules and how to properly enforce them at all times. Lack of proper rules knowledge simply would not be tolerated.

Fast forward to last Saturday. Team A and the officiating crew are on the floor before the start of the 1A state championship game. Team B comes running out with just under 10 minutes on the clock before the start of the game. The second player in their lay-up drill (call him B1) decides that dunk is called for and appropriate...in fact, it was a nice dunk and got a nice reaction from the crowd. The umpire clearly saw the dunk. How, you may ask, do I believe that to be true from my seat in the stands? Because he immediately walked over to the player, put his hand on his back and talked to him. I assumed he was informing the player he had been assessed a techinical foul and getting his number for recording purposes. However, game time arrived and it started with the normal toss.

IMO, the officials in this crew (with the possible exception of the other umpire) should not be rewarded with future state tournament assignments. What are your thoughts.

For the record, I did not attend any of the schools playing at the state tournament last weekend. I do not know anyone who has attended any of those schools and in fact, have never even been to any of those campuses. We just go down to Austin each year for three days of non-stop basketball.

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

In our region, they advise us to warm first. Then T them.

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 668426)

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

In our region, they advise us to warm first. Then T them.

When did having to worry about whether a techical foul would piss anybody off become a factor in whether that call should be made or not?:confused:

Weird local philosophy imo.

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 668426)

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

OK, so let me see if I have this right in your scenario:

- A1 knowingly dunks the ball.
- The Team/Coach know this is against the rules and understands the penalty.
- The referees rightfully enforce the rules and assess the penalty.

Team A gets pissed off and does what?

Referees call the game as always......I see no problems.

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 668426)

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

In our region, they advise us to warm first. Then T them.

I had to call this tech once this year. You know who the coach got pissed at? The player. He was the starting center and the coach benched him immediately after the technical free throws and the player didn't return until the 2nd quarter.

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 668426)

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

In our region, they advise us to warm first. Then T them.

And the team who did not dunk gets penalized instead.

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 668442)

When did having to worry about whether a techical foul would piss anybody off become a factor in whether that call should be made or not?:confused:Only when the coach is your wife! :D

Weird local philosophy imo.

Agree, once players figure this out they will dunk until warned.

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle (Post 668463)

Agree, once players figure this out they will dunk until warned.

And to be consistent, if you warn one player, you have to warn every player...on both teams. You could have a whole bunch of warm-up dunks, couldn't you?

Silly monkeys....:rolleyes:

If you read this month's Referee you will understand some of the frustrations among officials in Texas. We were told by a UIL official that high school mechanics would be enforced, yet at the state tournament I saw thumbs down for 30 second time out reporting: handing the ball to the thrower on side line throw-ins: two finger pointing. Now in and of itself, it's no big deal, but when you preach one thing, and allow another, it creates all kinds of confusion and doubts.

I'm in Houston.