Annual NF rule change thread

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There's a game?

WE would have our minds on the games!! The one on the court AND the one in the stands!!!!! We can multitask!
As for raising your hand after a fould I used to do that all the time when I played during the Reagan years. I even used it in college if I was near our star player and knew he was in fould trouble up went the hand!!! It worked most of the time!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It worked most of the time!

Really?

OT - Funny story from yesterday's 9th/10th Grade All-Star Game. This is one of those Rec Leagues that has Pennies for jerseys. As my P and I take the court I noticed White has three number 22's, two 24's and two 42's. Turns out the league only has about eight jerseys/pennies per team and they get to where them for the All-Star Game, and of the ten players on one team, seven have duplicate numbers.

League Director kept the books and knew all the kids so when we said W22 and kind of "bird-dogged" the perp, he knew who it was......

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Really?

OT - Funny story from yesterday's 9th/10th Grade All-Star Game. This is one of those Rec Leagues that has Pennies for jerseys. As my P and I take the court I noticed White has three number 22's, two 24's and two 42's. Turns out the league only has about eight jerseys/pennies per team and they get to where them for the All-Star Game, and of the ten players on one team, seven have duplicate numbers.

League Director kept the books and knew all the kids so when we said W22 and kind of "bird-dogged" the perp, he knew who it was......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I even used it in college if I was near our star player and knew he was in foul trouble up went the hand!!! It worked most of the time!

I call boolsh!t! The mechanic used at that time was to bird-dog until the hand went up. We also had to tell the player and the player then had 5 seconds to raise their hand. So no, trying sumthin' like that never worked most of the time or even some of the time. Unless you're talking about college intramurals with pick-up officials.

[Amesman]

In high school, our coach had the best FT shooter on the team toe the line whenever possible after a nearby teammate was fouled. Happened a handful of times. Maybe less. Was easy enough to play off with confusion if ever questioned by a man with a whistle. Was corrected maybe 25% of the time.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Amesman

In high school, our coach had the best FT shooter on the team toe the line whenever possible after a nearby teammate was fouled. Happened a handful of times. Maybe less. Was easy enough to play off with confusion if ever questioned by a man with a whistle. Was corrected maybe 25% of the time.

So, as an official, this is probably a POE for you. Know the shooter.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Amesman

In high school, our coach had the best FT shooter on the team toe the line whenever possible after a nearby teammate was fouled. Happened a handful of times. Maybe less. Was easy enough to play off with confusion if ever questioned by a man with a whistle. Was corrected maybe 25% of the time.

I can neither confirm nor deny any personal involvment in a similar situation as a certain poster would be more likely to believe you then me!! I can also not state with any certainty that it also helps your scoring average!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I can neither confirm nor deny any personal involvment in a similar situation as a certain poster would be more likely to believe you then me!! I can also not state with any certainty that it also helps your scoring average!!

When I played I did this once; I got away with it. It was not at the direction of our coach, however.

Frankly, while it may be a good thing to do, strategically; I find it to be poor coaching. In order to agree with me, though, you'll have to think coaching at the amateur level is about more than winning games.

[Judtech]

SNAQ I would lOVE to agree with you but that may hurt your credibility on this board. So in THAT vein, I can't believe you would have such a nieve, innocent and quite frankly eggregiously out of touch expectation of athletics at the amateur level

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

SNAQ I would lOVE to agree with you but that may hurt your credibility on this board. So in THAT vein, I can't believe you would have such a nieve, innocent and quite frankly eggregiously out of touch expectation of athletics at the amateur level

My credibility level here is set in stone at this point, I think. What that level is, I have no idea.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I call boolsh!t! The mechanic used at that time was to bird-dog until the hand went up. We also had to tell the player and the player then had 5 seconds to raise their hand. So no, trying sumthin' like that never worked most of the time or even some of the time. Unless you're talking about college intramurals with pick-up officials.

No it was real live intercollegiate athletics.(Although I did play intramural soccer, flag football, frisbee golf and softball) Some of the games were even on that new fangled television invention. If there was a cluster in the lane and the whistle blew, up went my hand. I knew I had fouls to give and I knew my role on the team. It is also basic human nature to take the path of least resistance. Official blows whistle on a foul, sees a hand go up, why NOT give it to that guy he was near the play.
While I am sure you are the only official who never lost a players number on a foul, there are those out there who ARE fallible and as a player I more than certainly took advantage of it. And if the opposing coach picked up on it, that just made it more fun.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

No it was real live intercollegiate athletics.(Although I did play intramural soccer, flag football, frisbee golf and softball) Some of the games were even on that new fangled television invention. If there was a cluster in the lane and the whistle blew, up went my hand. I knew I had fouls to give and I knew my role on the team. It is also basic human nature to take the path of least resistance. Official blows whistle on a foul, sees a hand go up, why NOT give it to that guy he was near the play.
While I am sure you are the only official who never lost a players number on a foul, there are those out there who ARE fallible and as a player I more than certainly took advantage of it. And if the opposing coach picked up on it, that just made it more fun.

Do you even know what a "birddog" is? Using the mechanics that we had to use when that rule was in effect, it was impossible for the wrong player to be charged with a foul. We had to run up to within 5 feet of the player who fouled and then point at the player's waist until he raised his arm. If he didn't raise his arm straight up within 5 seconds, we were supposed to call a "T".

And that rule was long gone before the Regan years when you said that you played.

Boolsh!t!

[Adam]

JR, I have to say, I played during the Reagan and Bush (41) years, and I would do it also. I can't say how often it worked, and I can remember times it didn't work; but I also remember it worked occasionally. When I played, we still raised our hands out of respect when called for a foul. Also, I can't confirm nor deny that there may have been officials in my small town enforcing a rule that no longer existed.

[Judtech]

JR I stand corrected, I don't remember any official running up and pointing right at a player. So my definition of Birddog may be incorrect. I was thinking it was just pointing in the general direction.
We were taught since high school to raise our hands when we fouled, say thank you to the referee's when they handed us the ball, always retrieve balls that went astray, and hand the ball to the official during TO's fouls etc. As far as I know it was a team rule in HS (not a State rule) and in college I know it wasn't a rule, but I kept that habit, and the others, throughout college.
So I am not really sure what you are objecting too. Are you calling BS on the fact that I raised my hand when fouled, or when another player near me fouled? Or are you calling BS on the fact that I was successful in convincing the officials I WAS to fouling player by raising my hand?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

JR I stand corrected, I don't remember any official running up and pointing right at a player. So my definition of Birddog may be incorrect. I was thinking it was just pointing in the general direction.
We were taught since high school to raise our hands when we fouled, say thank you to the referee's when they handed us the ball, always retrieve balls that went astray, and hand the ball to the official during TO's fouls etc. As far as I know it was a team rule in HS (not a State rule) and in college I know it wasn't a rule, but I kept that habit, and the others, throughout college.
So I am not really sure what you are objecting too. Are you calling BS on the fact that I raised my hand when fouled, or when another player near me fouled? Or are you calling BS on the fact that I was successful in convincing the officials I WAS to fouling player by raising my hand?

I have no doubt that you may have occasionally gotten away with taking a foul for a teammate by raising your hand and raising a l'il confusion at the same time. A player can still do that today with an inattentive official. But you couldn't have done it when that stoopid rule that IndianaRef(jokingly, thank God) suggested be resurrected was in place. It was an absolutely terrible rule to administer, which is why it disappeared almost as quickly as it was instituted.

That was my point. Your getting away with taking a foul for a teammate had absolutely nothing to do with that particular old rule being discussed. When that stoopid rule was in place, it was almost impossible for any player to take a foul for a teammate. That was maybe the only good thing about it.