Gotta get the obvious

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Here's the play:

YouTube - Mater Dei vs. Etiwanda -- No-call on game-tying three-point attempt

I saw this game and what you have to understand is that this all took place with about 5 seconds left in the game. The ball was being inbounded after a made FT by White. The Black inbound pass was made near the baseline and pass receiver took two dribbles and passed it to a teammate at half-court. The black player who received the pass at halfcourt quickly passed it to his teammate on the wing in front of his bench. What you see is the aftermath from that pass. The final horn went off after the shot was released.

The closest person with a look at the play was the L who was standing on the baseline. The C had to officiate the play (pass to the wing) at half court and when the shot by black went up, the C had about 3 players blocking the view of the attempted shot. The T was still running up in the backcourt about FT line extended.

It was a play where the crew should've known that a 3pt shot was the only play that black was going to attempt. In my opinion, the L should not have been standing at the baseline; he should've have been about 2 feet away from the closest player to him anywhere near the 3pt line. I think he missed because he was too far away from the black player and that the contact happened on the far side of where he could see.

Which side of the court was the L on?

If the L was on the ballside here, there's no reason at all he can't get this foul from the baseline. We all know that in transition the L may need to help out here.

I can't see the L being further up the court on this shot, though. The shooter and defender aren't exactly at half court here.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Which side of the court was the L on?

If the L was on the ballside here, there's no reason at all he can't get this foul from the baseline. We all know that in transition the L may need to help out here.

I can't see the L being further up the court on this shot, though. The shooter and defender aren't exactly at half court here.

The L was on the baseline on ballside.

In my opinion, the L should not be at the baseline and should be about 2 feet away from the deepest 3pt threat on his side. With 5 seconds left, a ball going out of bounds on the baseline is not as important as finding your closest competitive matchup for an obvious 3pt shot attempt to tie the game.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

The L was on the baseline on ballside.

In my opinion, the L should not be at the baseline and should be about 2 feet away from the deepest 3pt threat on his side. With 5 seconds left, a ball going out of bounds on the baseline is not as important as finding your closest competitive matchup for an obvious 3pt shot attempt to tie the game.

When I am two feet away from something, I have trouble being able to officiate it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by sseltser

When I am two feet away from something, I have trouble being able to officiate it.

Exactly.

The baseline is a perfect spot to get this foul. In 2-person and in NCAAW, the L has this shot in a halfcourt set, so why can't this official get this?

I think any closer to the play than the baseline and the official's too close. JMO.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Exactly.

The baseline is a perfect spot to get this foul. In 2-person and in NCAAW, the L has this shot in a halfcourt set, so why can't this official get this?

I think any closer to the play than the baseline and the official's too close. JMO.

I understand what you are saying. In this case, I believe the L was officiating wide on the baseline and got caught not seeing the arm contact on the opposite side of the shooter's body. By being on the baseline, he had a bad angle at the play because he was straight-lined. Positioning himself before the play started is key in this situation.

Being closer (say between the FT line and the baseline) along the key and the L would have had a great angle at the play.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Being closer (say between the FT line and the baseline) along the key and the L would have had a great angle at the play.

You wanted the L standing on the court near the lane?

I'm a proponent of "go where you have to to officiate the play" but there are a LOT better places to officiate a potential 3-point shot than in the lane.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

You wanted the L standing on the court near the lane?

I'm a proponent of "go where you have to to officiate the play" but there are a LOT better places to officiate a potential 3-point shot than in the lane.

In the conference that I work, our supervisor says get to the best angle to see the play on a last second shot. The L has to realize that a 3pt shot is the only play that the black team is going to make. He has to know where the rest of the crew is and players in his area. He does no good by just standing on the baseline when he sees a player on the wing in the 3pt area; he ended up being straight-lined on the shot. There were no other players in his area except the shooter and 2 defenders. If he positioned himself along the key below the FT line, I believe he would have had a better look at the play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I understand what you are saying. In this case, I believe the L was officiating wide on the baseline and got caught not seeing the arm contact on the opposite side of the shooter's body. By being on the baseline, he had a bad angle at the play because he was straight-lined. Positioning himself before the play started is key in this situation.

Being closer (say between the FT line and the baseline) along the key and the L would have had a great angle at the play.

(With the caveat that I didn't watch the video ...)

You might be right on this play. But, suppose the same setup and someone came running out from the block at the shooter. Now, if the official was inside, he'd be straightlined on that contact and you'd (or some would) be arguing that the official should be wide to see between the players.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Exactly.

The baseline is a perfect spot to get this foul. In 2-person and in NCAAW, the L has this shot in a halfcourt set, so why can't this official get this?

I think any closer to the play than the baseline and the official's too close. JMO.

+1

If the ball is in the frontcourt, there is no reason for the L to be anywhere but the endline for many reason, not the least of which is that being right next to a play is rarely the best place to be to officiate it.