Gotta get the obvious

[SAJ]

under NFHS rules they cannot use the video to determine a foul

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by SAJ

under NFHS rules they cannot use the video to determine a foul

I don't think he was suggesting they could go to the video... I think he was saying, in games where there is a camera that can show you kicked the holy hell out of a play... you have to get it right.

That being said, the NFHS is not the end all and say all here. In the Texas State Semi's and Finals, a video monitor is available and can be consulted as a State Adaptation.

Therefore, your statement may or may not be true and valid depending on local edicts.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

I don't think he was suggesting they could go to the video... I think he was saying, in games where there is a camera that can show you kicked the holy hell out of a play... you have to get it right.

That being said, the NFHS is not the end all and say all here. In the Texas State Semi's and Finals, a video monitor is available and can be consulted as a State Adaptation.

Therefore, your statement may or may not be true and valid depending on local edicts.

Well it's not as if Texas is going against the NFHS seeing as one of the rule changes this year was allowing review in the state championship series. But as a general rule you are right on Fed not begin the final say.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Well it's not as if Texas is going against the NFHS seeing as one of the rule changes this year was allowing review in the state championship series. But as a general rule you are right on Fed not begin the final say.

ok, then...texas isn't following NFHS rules...simple explanation...

doesn't make my statement/ruling any less true

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

I don't think he was suggesting they could go to the video... I think he was saying, in games where there is a camera that can show you kicked the holy hell out of a play... you have to get it right.

That being said, the NFHS is not the end all and say all here. In the Texas State Semi's and Finals, a video monitor is available and can be consulted as a State Adaptation.

Therefore, your statement may or may not be true and valid depending on local edicts.

the first part makes sense...

the rest, rubbish...

NFHS only allows replay for replay to "determine if a try for goal at the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or any overtime period (0:00 on game clock) should be counted, and if so, determine if it is a two- or three-point goal."

[BBall_Junkie]

you are correct regarding determining a foul... I did not read it all the way through... I just read NFHS can't use video.... Then again there aren't any levels that I know of where you can consult video to determine any common fouls.

[APG]

Originally Posted by SAJ

under NFHS rules they cannot use the video to determine a foul

I'm pretty sure no one was saying that. More the fact that with every game being on tape today, we have can't pass on calling the obvious because the tape will prove us wrong later.

[dahoopref]

Here's the play:

YouTube - Mater Dei vs. Etiwanda -- No-call on game-tying three-point attempt

I saw this game and what you have to understand is that this all took place with about 5 seconds left in the game. The ball was being inbounded after a made FT by White. The Black inbound pass was made near the baseline and pass receiver took two dribbles and passed it to a teammate at half-court. The black player who received the pass at halfcourt quickly passed it to his teammate on the wing in front of his bench. What you see is the aftermath from that pass. The final horn went off after the shot was released.

The closest person with a look at the play was the L who was standing on the baseline. The C had to officiate the play (pass to the wing) at half court and when the shot by black went up, the C had about 3 players blocking the view of the attempted shot. The T was still running up in the backcourt about FT line extended.

It was a play where the crew should've known that a 3pt shot was the only play that black was going to attempt. In my opinion, the L should not have been standing at the baseline; he should've have been about 2 feet away from the closest player to him anywhere near the 3pt line. I think he missed because he was too far away from the black player and that the contact happened on the far side of where he could see.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Here's the play:

YouTube - Mater Dei vs. Etiwanda -- No-call on game-tying three-point attempt

I saw this game and what you have to understand is that this all took place with about 5 seconds left in the game. The ball was being inbounded after a made FT by White. The Black inbound pass was made near the baseline and pass receiver took two dribbles and passed it to a teammate at half-court. The black player who received the pass at halfcourt quickly passed it to his teammate on the wing in front of his bench. What you see is the aftermath from that pass. The final horn went off after the shot was released.

The closest person with a look at the play was the L who was standing on the baseline. The C had to officiate the play (pass to the wing) at half court and when the shot by black went up, the C had about 3 players blocking the view of the attempted shot. The T was still running up in the backcourt about FT line extended.

It was a play where the crew should've known that a 3pt shot was the only play that black was going to attempt. In my opinion, the L should not have been standing at the baseline; he should've have been about 2 feet away from the closest player to him anywhere near the 3pt line. I think he missed because he was too far away from the black player and that the contact happened on the far side of where he could see.

Which side of the court was the L on?

If the L was on the ballside here, there's no reason at all he can't get this foul from the baseline. We all know that in transition the L may need to help out here.

I can't see the L being further up the court on this shot, though. The shooter and defender aren't exactly at half court here.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Which side of the court was the L on?

If the L was on the ballside here, there's no reason at all he can't get this foul from the baseline. We all know that in transition the L may need to help out here.

I can't see the L being further up the court on this shot, though. The shooter and defender aren't exactly at half court here.

The L was on the baseline on ballside.

In my opinion, the L should not be at the baseline and should be about 2 feet away from the deepest 3pt threat on his side. With 5 seconds left, a ball going out of bounds on the baseline is not as important as finding your closest competitive matchup for an obvious 3pt shot attempt to tie the game.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

The L was on the baseline on ballside.

In my opinion, the L should not be at the baseline and should be about 2 feet away from the deepest 3pt threat on his side. With 5 seconds left, a ball going out of bounds on the baseline is not as important as finding your closest competitive matchup for an obvious 3pt shot attempt to tie the game.

When I am two feet away from something, I have trouble being able to officiate it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by sseltser

When I am two feet away from something, I have trouble being able to officiate it.

Exactly.

The baseline is a perfect spot to get this foul. In 2-person and in NCAAW, the L has this shot in a halfcourt set, so why can't this official get this?

I think any closer to the play than the baseline and the official's too close. JMO.