"Believe It Or Not" in Georgia Playoffs

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

please tell me you're joking

Blue font, brother. Blue font.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

About the second...I'm not being sarcastic (no blue font) with this question - and that's all it is - a question: consistency being key is a given, however, in that game and in that situation does that particular play warrant a potentially game ending call? Consider the situation - Team A got not one, made two athletic plays that led to 2 shots in the remaining seconds and a third play to secure a second rebound. Team B alertly ties up the ball - no obvious foul committed. Hats off to the official that made, what I assume to be a holding call since the video isn't clear, to put the other team on the line with a chance to win with no time left. I call that gutsy in a h.s. sub state game.

Pile on.

Not piling on...just giving you my personal opinion fwiw....

You've got 2 different things going on here. One is whether that particular call was correct or not. To be quite honest, I couldn't really tell and I could care less. Officials have made wrong calls before...myself included...and we will again. But, and it's a big "but", advocating calling something at the end of the game...or at any time during the game.... ONLY if it is obvious and agreeable to players, coachs and the freaking fans (of all people) is patently ridiculous imo. The ONLY factor involved in calling a foul is whether a foul occurred.

You might not like this statement either but.....

Anybody who worries about whether ANY player, coach or fan is going to agree with ANY of his calls should be sitting up in the stands, not officiating the game. We ain't entertainers; we don't work to the crowd.

As I said, in my experience your philosophy is shared by very, very few other officials.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.

No blue font on that one, brother.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not piling on...just giving you my personal opinion fwiw....

You've got 2 different things going on here. One is whether that particular call was correct or not. To be quite honest, I couldn't really tell and I could care less. Officials have made wrong calls before...myself included...and we will again. But, and it's a big "but", advocating calling something at the end of the game...or at any time during the game.... ONLY if it is obvious and agreeable to players, coachs and the freaking fans (of all people) is patently ridiculous imo. The ONLY factor involved in calling a foul is whether a foul occurred.

You might not like this statement either but.....

Anybody who worries about whether ANY player, coach or fan is going to agree with ANY of his calls should be sitting up in the stands, not officiating the game. We ain't entertainers; we don't work to the crowd.

As I said, in my experience your philosophy is shared by very, very few other officials.

I don't say this to be crass or rude, so don't take it that way - the blue font was sarcasm. If my comments weren't already obviously sarcastic, the blue font should've been the clincher.

Anyway, the sequence at the end of that game is extremely intriguing. It could be handled both ways - by the book or with something more along the lines of following a certain philosophy/game management technique already in play by the crew.

I've yet to be in that type of situation in that type of game. So, I'm interested to hear some discussion about that situation from those that have been. Please forgive my blue font sarcasm. Just couldn't resist playing the first responder's query.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No blue font on that one, brother.

And, I said "I would think". Not, "I wouldn't and no official ever should".

One is conversational....the other is unwielding and arrogant, if not immature.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I've yet to be in that type of situation in that type of game. So, I'm interested to hear some discussion about that situation from those that have been. Please forgive my blue font sarcasm. Just couldn't resist playing the first responder's query.

I have.

My attitude is the same as it always is -- for me to call a foul, it had better be a foul. Don't call something that isn't there and don't pass on it just cause it's the end of the game.

Whether it shows up on the film or everyone in the stands can see it is irrelevant to me. I hope it shows on the film, but I'm being paid to have the right angle, not the one that shows up on film.

Watching the video, I don't see anything, but it's a horrible upper-deck view.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Blue font, brother. Blue font.

my bad... carry on

[just another ref]

Lot's of good opinions posted on the site with the video.

Ok, to the person writing this article I would like to point out that in no way, any league, division, level of basketball, replay or not, can you end a game with free throws. This is physically impossible. So some of your credibility is lost in stating that. Secondly, one of the main rules, if not THE main rule of refing is that a call you make should not decide the outcome of the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Lot's of good opinions posted on the site with the video.

Yup, and this guy says he's an official. And a 35 year official with D-I experience came on and said an "official should never insert himself into a game".

No wonder the average fans think the way they do when so many officials are idiots.

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Yup, and this guy says he's an official. And a 35 year official with D-I experience came on and said an "official should never insert himself into a game".

No wonder the average fans think the way they do when so many officials are idiots.

I am assuming they aren't officials at all, just trying to give their blabbering some credibility by claiming to be an official.

[doubleringer]

Instead of worrying about the official making the call, why not focus on how dumb the kid was to do anything remotely even close to committing a foul. Didn't the coach tell them not to foul? I would guess they did. Watching the video, we don't have a good look, but I can certainly see how there is is a rebounding foul on the play. It looks like the one kid may have played through the inside player's body to knock the ball away. I can see where it would have been a very solid call from a different angle.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Instead of worrying about the official making the call, why not focus on how dumb the kid was to do anything remotely even close to committing a foul. Didn't the coach tell them not to foul? I would guess they did. Watching the video, we don't have a good look, but I can certainly see how there is is a rebounding foul on the play. It looks like the one kid may have played through the inside player's body to knock the ball away. I can see where it would have been a very solid call from a different angle.

That's a strong statement. You probably meant "a dumb decision on the part of the kid".

Point well taken overall, though. The decision to reach definitely put the kid/team at risk of fouling. Standing straight up may have been a wiser decision.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Looks like the foul occurred with .3 secs left on the clock. Gutsy call. Especially since only one third of the gym was able to see what the official saw.

I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.

Gutsy gutsy call.

Put me down as being unyielding, arrogant and immature for taking your above comments at face value.

I don't agree with your "thinking" and I never will. I also will quit arguing it with you. That's obviously become a waste of both our times.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Put me down as being unyielding, arrogant and immature for taking your above comments at face value.

I don't agree with your "thinking" and I never will. I also will quit arguing it with you. That's obviously become a waste of both our times.

I will do no such thing.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I was beginning to worry that the only color folks in here see are black and white.

+1

Fixed it for ya.