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Jmuvol Tue Mar 09, 2010 01:03pm

"Believe It Or Not" in Georgia Playoffs
 
Nice article with video. The fanboy comments are fun as always!

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DLH17 Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:32pm

Looks like the foul occurred with .3 secs left on the clock. Gutsy call. Especially since only one third of the gym was able to see what the official saw.

I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.

Gutsy gutsy call.

asdf Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 667225)
I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.

We now can only make calls that everyone can see?:eek:

Raymond Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 667226)
We now can only make calls that everyone can see?:eek:

According to one HC I had this year.

DLH17 Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:48pm

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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 667226)
We now can only make calls that everyone can see?:eek:

Yea, that's what I said. Only make calls when a foul is obvious to everyone in attendance.

jalons Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 667231)
Yea, that's what I said. Only make calls when a foul is obvious to everyone in attendance.

Oh boy......

DLH17 Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by jalons (Post 667237)
Oh boy......

It's only right. We officials have no business making a call that we don't know the entire audience, coaches and players will agree with. I can't believe I'm the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

Judtech Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:14pm

I watched the video before I read anything about the incident. I was actually wondering what the "controversy" was all about. Sure it was a gutsy call, but that is why you work in the state tournament game!!
Had the other team done a better job boxing out and securing the rebound (not to mention more then one missed free throw or turn over) this wouldn't have been an issue.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 667225)
Looks like the foul occurred with .3 secs left on the clock. Gutsy call. Especially since only one third of the gym was able to see what the official saw.

<font color = red>I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.</font>

Fwiw I disagree completely with that philosophy. I could care less what the fans see or think. They're fans! They can see an obvious foul and still disagree with it if that foul went against their team. And I really don't care what the coachs or their bench thinks either. They don't have the same view that the official has, not to mention their inherent bias also. Any foul call should be made based SOLELY as to whether a player is gaining an illegal advantage not meant by rule. If you've made that call consistently the whole game, there's absolutely NO reason in the world NOT to make it at the end of a game.

And it's not really that gutsy imo either. I would expect a good official to make that call if it's truly there every time.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 667240)
It's only right. We officials have no business making a call that we don't know the entire audience, coaches and players will agree with. I can't believe I'm the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

I can only hope that you're the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

In my experience, you're in a very miniscule minority with that particular philosophy.

jalons Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 667240)
It's only right. We officials have no business making a call that we don't know the entire audience, coaches and players will agree with. I can't believe I'm the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

I've heard of calling the obvious, but never calling only the obvious.....

Judtech Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:25pm

I thought that in internet Boards/Posts blue font signified sarcasm. I could be wrong, it has been known to happen!!

DLH17 Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:25pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 667243)
I disagree completely with that philosophy. I could care less what the fans see or think. They're fans! They can see an obvious foul and still disagree with it if that foul went against their team. And I really don't care what the coachs or their bench thinks either. They don't have the same view that the official has, not to mention their inherent bias also. Any foul call should be made based SOLELY as to whether a player is gaining an illegal advantage not meant by rule. If you've made that call consistently the whole game, there's absolutely NO reason in the world NOT to make it at the end of a game.

And it's not really that gutsy imo either. I would expect a good official to make that call if it's truly there.

Couldn't agree more with most of your first paragraph.

About the second...I'm not being sarcastic (no blue font) with this question - and that's all it is - a question: consistency being key is a given, however, in that game and in that situation does that particular play warrant a potentially game ending call? Consider the situation - Team A got not one, made two athletic plays that led to 2 shots in the remaining seconds and a third play to secure a second rebound. Team B alertly ties up the ball - no obvious foul committed. Hats off to the official that made, what I assume to be a holding call since the video isn't clear, to put the other team on the line with a chance to win with no time left. I call that gutsy in a h.s. sub state game.

Pile on.

DLH17 Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 667249)
I thought that in internet Boards/Posts blue font signified sarcasm. I could be wrong, it has been known to happen!!

I was beginning to worry that the only color folks in here see are black and white. ;)

vbzebra Tue Mar 09, 2010 03:36pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 667240)
It's only right. We officials have no business making a call that we don't know the entire audience, coaches and players will agree with. I can't believe I'm the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

please tell me you're joking:eek:


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