"Believe It Or Not" in Georgia Playoffs

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Looks like the foul occurred with .3 secs left on the clock. Gutsy call. Especially since only one third of the gym was able to see what the official saw.

I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.

Fwiw I disagree completely with that philosophy. I could care less what the fans see or think. They're fans! They can see an obvious foul and still disagree with it if that foul went against their team. And I really don't care what the coachs or their bench thinks either. They don't have the same view that the official has, not to mention their inherent bias also. Any foul call should be made based SOLELY as to whether a player is gaining an illegal advantage not meant by rule. If you've made that call consistently the whole game, there's absolutely NO reason in the world NOT to make it at the end of a game.

And it's not really that gutsy imo either. I would expect a good official to make that call if it's truly there every time.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I disagree completely with that philosophy. I could care less what the fans see or think. They're fans! They can see an obvious foul and still disagree with it if that foul went against their team. And I really don't care what the coachs or their bench thinks either. They don't have the same view that the official has, not to mention their inherent bias also. Any foul call should be made based SOLELY as to whether a player is gaining an illegal advantage not meant by rule. If you've made that call consistently the whole game, there's absolutely NO reason in the world NOT to make it at the end of a game.

And it's not really that gutsy imo either. I would expect a good official to make that call if it's truly there.

Couldn't agree more with most of your first paragraph.

About the second...I'm not being sarcastic (no blue font) with this question - and that's all it is - a question: consistency being key is a given, however, in that game and in that situation does that particular play warrant a potentially game ending call? Consider the situation - Team A got not one, made two athletic plays that led to 2 shots in the remaining seconds and a third play to secure a second rebound. Team B alertly ties up the ball - no obvious foul committed. Hats off to the official that made, what I assume to be a holding call since the video isn't clear, to put the other team on the line with a chance to win with no time left. I call that gutsy in a h.s. sub state game.

Pile on.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

About the second...I'm not being sarcastic (no blue font) with this question - and that's all it is - a question: consistency being key is a given, however, in that game and in that situation does that particular play warrant a potentially game ending call? Consider the situation - Team A got not one, made two athletic plays that led to 2 shots in the remaining seconds and a third play to secure a second rebound. Team B alertly ties up the ball - no obvious foul committed. Hats off to the official that made, what I assume to be a holding call since the video isn't clear, to put the other team on the line with a chance to win with no time left. I call that gutsy in a h.s. sub state game.

Pile on.

Not piling on...just giving you my personal opinion fwiw....

You've got 2 different things going on here. One is whether that particular call was correct or not. To be quite honest, I couldn't really tell and I could care less. Officials have made wrong calls before...myself included...and we will again. But, and it's a big "but", advocating calling something at the end of the game...or at any time during the game.... ONLY if it is obvious and agreeable to players, coachs and the freaking fans (of all people) is patently ridiculous imo. The ONLY factor involved in calling a foul is whether a foul occurred.

You might not like this statement either but.....

Anybody who worries about whether ANY player, coach or fan is going to agree with ANY of his calls should be sitting up in the stands, not officiating the game. We ain't entertainers; we don't work to the crowd.

As I said, in my experience your philosophy is shared by very, very few other officials.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not piling on...just giving you my personal opinion fwiw....

You've got 2 different things going on here. One is whether that particular call was correct or not. To be quite honest, I couldn't really tell and I could care less. Officials have made wrong calls before...myself included...and we will again. But, and it's a big "but", advocating calling something at the end of the game...or at any time during the game.... ONLY if it is obvious and agreeable to players, coachs and the freaking fans (of all people) is patently ridiculous imo. The ONLY factor involved in calling a foul is whether a foul occurred.

You might not like this statement either but.....

Anybody who worries about whether ANY player, coach or fan is going to agree with ANY of his calls should be sitting up in the stands, not officiating the game. We ain't entertainers; we don't work to the crowd.

As I said, in my experience your philosophy is shared by very, very few other officials.

I don't say this to be crass or rude, so don't take it that way - the blue font was sarcasm. If my comments weren't already obviously sarcastic, the blue font should've been the clincher.

Anyway, the sequence at the end of that game is extremely intriguing. It could be handled both ways - by the book or with something more along the lines of following a certain philosophy/game management technique already in play by the crew.

I've yet to be in that type of situation in that type of game. So, I'm interested to hear some discussion about that situation from those that have been. Please forgive my blue font sarcasm. Just couldn't resist playing the first responder's query.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I've yet to be in that type of situation in that type of game. So, I'm interested to hear some discussion about that situation from those that have been. Please forgive my blue font sarcasm. Just couldn't resist playing the first responder's query.

I have.

My attitude is the same as it always is -- for me to call a foul, it had better be a foul. Don't call something that isn't there and don't pass on it just cause it's the end of the game.

Whether it shows up on the film or everyone in the stands can see it is irrelevant to me. I hope it shows on the film, but I'm being paid to have the right angle, not the one that shows up on film.

Watching the video, I don't see anything, but it's a horrible upper-deck view.