Late technical foul

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Don't feel bad about the way it ended-based on your post you called what needed to be called! I'd love to have you work my games

[bbcoach7]

Because just as fans and coaches hate to see late calls that can decide games, referees hate to make late calls that may appear to have an effect on deciding a game. But sounds like you did what you had to do. A kid has to control his emotions in that situation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

Because just as fans and coaches hate to see late calls that can decide games, referees hate to make late calls that may appear to have an effect on deciding a game.

Disagree completely. I've never met a referee yet that hated to make a late call for that reason.

Referees just call the game. It's the fans' and coachs' job to second-guess them. And it's a fans' and coachs' fantasy also that we don't want to have an effect on the game at the end. The player that committed that late violation or foul is the one that is having the effect on the game, not us. All we're doing is reporting it.

Any referee that hates to make a late call because that call might have an effect on deciding a game should consider taking up a different avocation. Officiating isn't meant for them. And we really don't need 'em either.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Disagree completely. I've never met a referee yet that hated to make a late call for that reason.

Referees just call the game. It's the fans' and coachs' job to second-guess them. And it's a fans' and coachs' fantasy also that we don't want to have an effect on the game at the end. The player that committed that late violation or foul is the one that is having the effect on the game, not us. All we're doing is reporting it.

Any referee that hates to make a late call because that call might have an effect on deciding a game should consider taking up a different avocation. Officiating isn't meant for them. And we really don't need 'em either.

I had a situation a couple of seasons ago. Visitors were playing their hearts out and were right with the home team, who had only lost 1 or 2 games all year. Home team had a 1 pt lead with less than 30 seconds left. Vistors had the ball in the forecourt. I was trail and was probably about 5 feet from the VC. His player was trying to dribble past her opponent who reached out her arm and impeded her. I whistled the foul with less than 10 seconds left.

We're in the bonus and a TO is called. During the TO my partner asked if I yelled "Hands off!" I thought to myself, "What a donkey! I'm 5 ft from the VC and I'm going to yell 'hands off' at that point in the game instead of calling the foul?" The call was met with boos, but it was the right call to make. This particular official has a reputation of not making tough calls.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

"What a donkey!

C'mon 26 Year Gap? Is that what you really thought? Are you sure that what you thought was actually a synonym for a male donkey? Possibly a donkey who's first name is Jack?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

C'mon 26 Year Gap? Is that what you really thought? Are you sure that what you thought was actually a synonym for a male donkey? Possibly a donkey who's first name is Jack?

No, that is what I thought of him when he wanted me to tell a player to get out of the lane who had picked up her dribble and had no opening to pass or shoot.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Disagree completely. I've never met a referee yet that hated to make a late call for that reason.

Referees just call the game. It's the fans' and coachs' job to second-guess them. And it's a fans' and coachs' fantasy also that we don't want to have an effect on the game at the end. The player that committed that late violation or foul is the one that is having the effect on the game, not us. All we're doing is reporting it.

Any referee that hates to make a late call because that call might have an effect on deciding a game should consider taking up a different avocation. Officiating isn't meant for them. And we really don't need 'em either.

I don't need to dispute your assertion, because the post directly under yours from a referee about a referee does that for me better than I could.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

I don't need to dispute your assertion, because the post directly under yours from a referee about a referee does that for me better than I could.

Except that you made a broad generalization and I did not.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

I don't need to dispute your assertion, because the post directly under yours from a referee about a referee does that for me better than I could.

It might not in fact dispute what JR said. He's using the term 'referee' as a success term: you know, the way 'winner' used to denote somebody who had actually won.

Just because you're out there with a whistle, doesn't make you a referee in that sense.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by mbyron

It might not in fact dispute what JR said. He's using the term 'referee' as a success term: you know, the way 'winner' used to denote somebody who had actually won.

Just because you're out there with a whistle, doesn't make you a referee in that sense.

The particular partner I referenced is not held in high esteem by the assn. He is NOT representative of a typical official. In nearly 25 years of calling games, he has never been to a division semifinal. It is likely that will continue to be the case. I only brought up the incident to illustrate that anybody who will not make a call with a game on the line has gone as far as he will go. Not that all officials think & act like him.

I have a lot to learn myself. But I have learned a lot of 'do nots' from officials like him, so for that, at least, I am thankful.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

The particular partner I referenced is not held in high esteem by the assn. He is NOT representative of a typical official. In nearly 25 years of calling games, he has never been to a division semifinal. It is likely that will continue to be the case.

Hey? Twenty-nine years and not a single state tournament game for me. Post season conference and league championship games? Yes. Holiday tournament games? Yes. Big rivalry regular season varsity games? A few each season. I consider myself to be a hard working, professional, "journeyman" official. I'm always trying to improve my rules knowledge, mechanics, game management skills, etc. I go to camps, clinics, and often observe our best officials in regular season, and tournament games. I'm an active member of our local board's training committee and take my role as a "mentor" to young officials very seriously.

I hope that you wouldn't mind me being your partner. You would find that I'm a partner who eats, drinks, and sleeps basketball during the season, and during the offseason as well. I would be a partner who you could trust, and I would be one of your partners who would trust you. I would always have your back, and never throw you under the bus.