The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 01:14pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Not where I was previously
Posts: 1,060
I was giving a Coming Attractions post. I have now corrected the misspell. Although I now have an uncontrollable urge for a nice carnival size elephant ear
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 02:03pm
SAJ SAJ is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 183
Quote:
Originally Posted by dahoopref View Post
John Adams has adamantly stated not to give the "get up" hand gesture to players if you no-call something. As much as I respect Hightower's acheivements and career, I don't care for his over dramatic mechanics.

Scout.com: Ed Hightower Photoshop Fun
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 02:05pm
Huck Finn
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 3,347
Do most of the people who dislike his mechanics think they play a part in his play calling? I don't necessarily like his antics either, but I think he is more mechanically sound than some well-known West coast officials - their antics happen during live ball and impacts their ability to get into the proper position.
__________________
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 03:11pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
The worst thing anyone did in this situation is let Bobby Knight talk about officials.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 03:37pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 266
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells View Post
The worst thing anyone did in this situation is let Bobby Knight talk about officials.
Amen, Snaq! I'm sure Knight would be happy to hear Gerry Pollard (and many others who have endured Knights' antics over the years) on national TV talk about the "worst" things coaches do.
__________________
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 03:37pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 460
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomegun View Post
Do most of the people who dislike his mechanics think they play a part in his play calling? I don't necessarily like his antics either, but I think he is more mechanically sound than some well-known West coast officials - their antics happen during live ball and impacts their ability to get into the proper position.
I've seen Hightower trigger the 3-pt shot multiple times as the lead (not on a fastbreak) when the ball is on the wing. He will call a shot-clock violation as the L and make sure everyone know that he called the violation, not the opposite table official who also had a whistle on the play. I get a chuckle when he crouches as low as he can as the L under the basket when the play is above the rim. Then if the ball goes out of bounds baseline to stay with the offense, he will give an emphatic point and turn his entire back to the court and players not seeing if any after-whistle-contact occurs. The highlight of watching Hightower officiate is his famous bird dogging of players followed by the stare as if to say to the fouling player, "that's right, the foul is on YOU and everyone needs to know I called it."

I don't know if you have access to the NCAA Arbiter website, but there are multiple videos on the site of plays called incorrectly by Hightower. Either someone is trying to be funny or is sending a serious message to Hightower.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 04:05pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,879
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomegun View Post
Do most of the people who dislike his mechanics think they play a part in his play calling? I don't necessarily like his antics either, but I think he is more mechanically sound than some well-known West coast officials - their antics happen during live ball and impacts their ability to get into the proper position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dahoopref View Post
I've seen Hightower trigger the 3-pt shot multiple times as the lead (not on a fastbreak) when the ball is on the wing. He will call a shot-clock violation as the L and make sure everyone know that he called the violation, not the opposite table official who also had a whistle on the play. I get a chuckle when he crouches as low as he can as the L under the basket when the play is above the rim. Then if the ball goes out of bounds baseline to stay with the offense, he will give an emphatic point and turn his entire back to the court and players not seeing if any after-whistle-contact occurs. The highlight of watching Hightower officiate is his famous bird dogging of players followed by the stare as if to say to the fouling player, "that's right, the foul is on YOU and everyone needs to know I called it."

I don't know if you have access to the NCAA Arbiter website, but there are multiple videos on the site of plays called incorrectly by Hightower. Either someone is trying to be funny or is sending a serious message to Hightower.
How ironic. Look at item #4 from Mr. Adams on a bulletin dated today:
  • 4. The Lead official must work to get to the strong or ball side of the court and stay as wide as is practical. Starting with page 39 of the CCA Manual, and continuing through page 61, look where the Lead is supposed to be situated. By the way, once the Lead "settles in", crouching over like a home plate baseball umpire is a very poor mechanic. Good angles to see plays are best acquired by standing erect and moving your feet to "position adjust".
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 05:35pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 460
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
How ironic. Look at item #4 from Mr. Adams on a bulletin dated today:
  • 4. The Lead official must work to get to the strong or ball side of the court and stay as wide as is practical. Starting with page 39 of the CCA Manual, and continuing through page 61, look where the Lead is supposed to be situated. By the way, once the Lead "settles in", crouching over like a home plate baseball umpire is a very poor mechanic. Good angles to see plays are best acquired by standing erect and moving your feet to "position adjust".
LOL!!! I didn't even know Adams' bulletin came out before what I posted.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 06:11pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,157
The Beer That Made Milwaukee Famous ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by fullor30 View Post
Have a beer 8 hours before a game?
Wrong thread.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 10:00pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,004
Hightower just did something far worse tonight.

Near the end of the first half he was the Lead and got confused by the shot clock horn sounding during a try with 1.4 seconds remaining. Despite the try hitting the ring, Hightower blew his whistle and waved both arms in the air during rebounding action!

Can anyone send him a mechanics manual?
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 10:25pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 208
Can't Wait to hit the locker room to fix my hair.

Did they go to the arrow on that? It looked like a IW with no possession. If I were a coach, I would be really pissed off getting the arrow at the end of the first half with 1.4 seconds left and 90' away just because a ref screwed up.
__________________
A Double Bonus is not really double.

Last edited by LeeBallanfant; Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:27pm.
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Tue Mar 02, 2010, 10:31pm
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant View Post
Did they go to the arrow on that? It looked like a IW with no possession. If I were a coach, I would be really pissed off getting the arrow at the end of the first half with 1.4 seconds left and 90' away just because a ref screwed up.
I'm not watching the game. Did they use the AP with an IW with no team control? Coach may not like it, but tough luck. Be happy it wasn't at the end of the game.
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 03, 2010, 12:50am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
Hightower just did something far worse tonight.

Near the end of the first half he was the Lead and got confused by the shot clock horn sounding during a try with 1.4 seconds remaining. Despite the try hitting the ring, Hightower blew his whistle and waved both arms in the air during rebounding action!

Can anyone send him a mechanics manual?
From what you saw do you think it was a lack of game awareness or just a lack of trust in his partners?
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 03, 2010, 03:11am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by dahoopref View Post
From what you saw do you think it was a lack of game awareness or just a lack of trust in his partners?
Obviously, game awareness had a great deal to do with it as one has to know that a shot clock horn may be coming just prior to the game clock expiring. In this case the horn sounded just as the try bounced off the ring.

I can't speak to his trust in his partners. I don't know him personally, so there is no way that I could justly make any such statement.

From what I saw it looked as if he simply reacted to the horn as there was a tap for goal coming from his PCA on the rebound.

We know that he has been around for many years and that his career even extends back into the days when officiating at the NCAA level was done with only two officials. There have been several changes since those times and it is understandable that a person who has been through all those alterations of rules and mechanics would make a slip in a moment where he was either caughy by surprise or his concentration lapsed.

My issue with the whole situation is that as Lead it is absurd for him to blow the whistle under any circumstance other than a violation or a foul.

Even if his partner who had the last shot responsibility fell asleep, the NCAA D1 level has a courtside monitor review for end of the period situations. Therefore, no whistle from any of the officials, and even no horn at the end of the period would have been easily handled, and with more fairness to the teams than Hightower reacting as he did and causing an IW. In the video replay era, there is simply no reason for him to make a call.

My conjecture is that when he heard the horn he reverted to his original training and killed the play right away, which seems the natural thing to do when confronted with a situation that is surprising.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 03, 2010, 03:40am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant View Post
Did they go to the arrow on that? It looked like a IW with no possession. If I were a coach, I would be really pissed off getting the arrow at the end of the first half with 1.4 seconds left and 90' away just because a ref screwed up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer View Post
I'm not watching the game. Did they use the AP with an IW with no team control? Coach may not like it, but tough luck. Be happy it wasn't at the end of the game.
It seems that the crew didn't use the AP arrow as Ohio State was given the ball for the final 1.4 seconds of the 1st half and began the 2nd half with the first possession.

I would be interested to hear what they decided would allow them to award possession to OSU with 1.4 seconds remaining in the first half, since it apparently wasn't the AP arrow.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Words An Official Doesn't Want To Hear, "Not In the Book" ... BillyMac Basketball 16 Tue Nov 03, 2009 09:05am
Are we the "worst" refs? Family Feud says yes. Mark Padgett Basketball 19 Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:36am
ABC's "Nightline" examines "worst calls ever" tonight pizanno Basketball 27 Fri Jul 04, 2008 06:08am
Is there such a thing as a "bench technical"? Scrapper1 Basketball 19 Sun Nov 12, 2006 04:15pm
"Official" unofficial LL World Series Thread SanDiegoSteve Baseball 201 Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:17am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:40am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1