Scorekeeper behavior

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Boys Quarterfinal last night-

I am the visiting scorekeeper for this game.

3-man crew (All games quarters and onward are 3-man in Southern California!)

Home scorekeeper is a HS Student who all game kept cheering/yelling for her team from the table! It was the usual fan stuff and lasted from first tip to final horn. At one point I try to gently nudge her into behaving like a table official but it really did not help. Two questions here-

A.Our playoff manual states that the official scorekeeper for ALL playoff games MUST be an Adult! Would you have asked Host AD to have her scorekeeper replaced for a playoff game by an adult? (Reason I ask-I handle Varsity books in basketball for visiting school-In Volleyball this fall I had a very good student scorekeeper who knew at the beginning she would be replaced by Me for any postseason home game!)

B.Where is the line for removing a scorekeeper for acting too much like a fan?
B1.How many table officials have you had to remove over the years?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

How many table officials have you had to remove over the years?

Twenty-nine years. None. But I have made some switches, making the visiting scorekeeper the "official" scorekeeper when the home scorekeeper couldn't do a competent job.

[grunewar]

I've replaced two:

One Rec dad for being a bit too overzealous, and

One MS student because when I asked how many team fouls each team had during a first half timeout I got a dear in the headlights look - the book was a mess.

Nothing in HS.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I've replaced two:

One Rec dad for being a bit too overzealous, and

One MS student because when I asked how many team fouls each team had during a first half timeout I got a dear in the headlights look - the book was a mess.

Nothing in HS.

I'll bet you a buck that you used the wrong homonym.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I'll bet you a buck that you used the wrong homonym.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[just another ref]

Only table person I ever got on pretty hard was the visitors' bookkeeper. First call against the visitors, when I got to the table she was rattling just like any other fan in the stands. "Oh, come on! He was straight up......." etc. I walked up really close and said "Ma'am, you are not going to sit at the table and call the game. It's just not gonna happen." She instantly got this OH MY GOD, WHAT HAVE I DONE? look. After that, the only problem I had was that she wouldn't stop apologizing, every time I got close for the whole first half.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I'll bet you a buck that you used the wrong homonym.

Maybe, but we should check whether his wife is OK.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I'll bet you a buck that you used the wrong homonym.

My deer sir, you're being two picky.

[grunewar]

Just shoot me!

[bas2456]

Nearly had to remove the scorekeeper from a 7th grade rec game. She was the mother of a player and the wife of one of the coaches.

She was also the commissioner of that particular league. Would have been quite embarrassing for her. Read the full story here

[deecee]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Boys Quarterfinal last night-

I am the visiting scorekeeper for this game.

3-man crew (All games quarters and onward are 3-man in Southern California!)

Home scorekeeper is a HS Student who all game kept cheering/yelling for her team from the table! It was the usual fan stuff and lasted from first tip to final horn. At one point I try to gently nudge her into behaving like a table official but it really did not help. Two questions here-

A.Our playoff manual states that the official scorekeeper for ALL playoff games MUST be an Adult! Would you have asked Host AD to have her scorekeeper replaced for a playoff game by an adult? (Reason I ask-I handle Varsity books in basketball for visiting school-In Volleyball this fall I had a very good student scorekeeper who knew at the beginning she would be replaced by Me for any postseason home game!)

B.Where is the line for removing a scorekeeper for acting too much like a fan?
B1.How many table officials have you had to remove over the years?

As long as they are doing their job and not a hinderance who cares? Its one thing if they are just cheering and another if they are undermining the officials. I would only address it if that is the case or the opposition coach brings it up.

and in my 9 years only removed one scorekeeper because he started acting like a jack a$$.

[kwv001]

I've replaced a scorekeeper once, about three years ago. A mother of one of the player's was keeping the book for the visiting team. During a time-out, she left the table and came out on the floor to confront my partner about a foul he had just called on her daughter. I saw her coming, and started to move to step in her way and prevent her from getting to him, but fortunately the home school AD beat me to it and handled the situation. I understand her school banned her from attending games for the rest of the season.

Just when you think you've seen it all...

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by kwv001

Just when you think you've seen it all...

Apparently, until I work with Padgett, I don't think this will ever happen!

[Jay R]

I've also had a few issues over the years, a Middle School student handling the clock was jumping up and down when his team scored etc.....

This year, I had two issues at the high school level. The first one was minor; a girl at the table had a look of disbelief that I had called a charge against "her" team. I quietly discussed this with her at the next timeout and she was fine after that. (she just reacted and had no intent to make me look bad)

The second incident bothered me more. I called a foul as a player drove to the hoop. I run over and start to report the foul. The scorer (a HS student) is giving me the double dribble signal. I motion to my partner to hang on and I go over and see what he means. I'm thinking maybe he means something else so I'm not going to jump on him right away. I get to the table and ask him what he meant. He says :"You missed a double dribble ". I gave him a short lecture on the behaviour of a scorer. He was almost crying. That was a first for me. When I was talking to my partner after the game, his smart *** response was to call the double dribble and then the scorers don't have to correct you.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

apparently, until i work with padgett, i don't think this will ever happen!

+1