I know my limits

[Back In The Saddle]

My take...

It's really easy to be a hard *** here when commenting on somebody else's game management. It's an area where I've learned many veterans tend to say one thing, and do another. And what they do tends to be way more reasonable. So take such advice with a rather measured grain of salt. Including what I'm about to say...

You missed the call, and you know it. In that situation I think it would be compounding one bad call with another to whack the coach without attempting to address his concern first. So maybe the coach gets a pass on the first one. But you must take (or make) the first available opportunity to have that little chat you finally had with him. What happens next depends on how reasonable he wants to be.

PS. All this is predicated on the coach's initial outburst being something you can live with passing on. If not, then whack away and it's on him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

My take...

It's really easy to be a hard *** here when commenting on somebody else's game management. It's an area where I've learned many veterans tend to say one thing, and do another. And what they do tends to be way more reasonable. So take such advice with a rather measured grain of salt. Including what I'm about to say...

You missed the call, and you know it. In that situation I think it would be compounding one bad call with another to whack the coach without attempting to address his concern first. So maybe the coach gets a pass on the first one. But you must take (or make) the first available opportunity to have that little chat you finally had with him. What happens next depends on how reasonable he wants to be.

PS. All this is predicated on the coach's initial outburst being something you can live with passing on. If not, then whack away and it's on him.

I agree it's best to talk to the coach, but in this situation, the clock was likely running the whole time. Not a lot of opportunity to have a sportsmanship chat with a coach who should know better while action is on-going.

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm going to disagree. There is just as much time in a running clock AAU game as in any other. The convo should be quite short. And it's easy to tell the clock operator to stop the clock if it is an issue. One problem with these games is that too often officials don't educate coaches about expected behavior. I've had pretty good luck in these games just by having the dialog with anupset coach that most officials won't have.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'm going to disagree. There is just as much time in a running clock AAU game as in any other. The convo should be quite short. And it's easy to tell the clock operator to stop the clock if it is an issue. One problem with these games is that too often officials don't educate coaches about expected behavior. I've had pretty good luck in these games just by having the dialog with anupset coach that most officials won't have.

As a newer referee, I am hesitant to hold up play for even a short discussion. I think you are right. If it is at all possible to get to the coach it may help. But, you also seem to know what to say, which is a good skill to have. In this case the coach knew I was not the scheduled ref, because he heard me talking to an administrator before the game. I think that is part of the reason he settled down quickly when I talked to him.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree it's best to talk to the coach, but in this situation, the clock was likely running the whole time. Not a lot of opportunity to have a sportsmanship chat with a coach who should know better while action is on-going.

Running clock shouldn't affect this conversation. Coach needed a talking to.

I used to try and hurry things along during running clock games, but no more. It's not my issue that the clock is running - I am going to perform my duties in the same way I would if the clock wasn't running.

[Welpe]

I think the point Snaqs is trying to make is that there is on-going action in the game and there may not be a good opportunity right away to have a word with the coach unless you stop the game to do so.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I think the point Snaqs is trying to make is that there is on-going action in the game and there may not be a good opportunity right away to have a word with the coach unless you stop the game to do so.

Well that could be true in any game, running clock or not. The running clock has nothing to do with that.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Well that could be true in any game, running clock or not. The running clock has nothing to do with that.

Not to put words in Snaqs mouth but I think that is what he meant when he said the clock is running the whole time. I don't think he was referencing a game with a running clock.

Edit: Nevermind, I see he has chimed in. Snaqs, you bill for my services is in the mail.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Running clock shouldn't affect this conversation. Coach needed a talking to.

I used to try and hurry things along during running clock games, but no more. It's not my issue that the clock is running - I am going to perform my duties in the same way I would if the clock wasn't running.

Welpe is right. My point was this was a situation with a no-call, so there's no natural stop in action here. I would have simply said the ball remained live, but that's neither true nor relevant. A score makes the ball dead, but action is still on going so no real stoppage occurs.

I have no problem educating coaches, I've done it and it works at this level. I'm just not a fan of stopping the game to educate him on proper behavior.

[Smitty]

Ok I misunderstood your meaning, assuming you meant because it was a "running clock game".