Drunken Referree

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I just think those that think 1-2 beers at lunch should disqualify someone from working a game at 6pm are really only preaching thier own opposition to drinking rather than having any tangible reason for opposing it.

Swing and a miss...

My post game doesn't get any better than a couple of Dunkels along with a dozen wings.

My tangible reason is professionalism, respect for the game, respect for others.

If a someone who works for me has an important evening presentation and he decides to make the choice of having a couple of beers for to wash down lunch that day, he's just shown me that he has no respect for me, his job, his colleagues and others involved.

He's also history.

Still waiting a list of states that endorse the practice.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by asdf

Swing and a miss...

My post game doesn't get any better than a couple of Dunkels along with a dozen wings.

My tangible reason is professionalism, respect for the game, respect for others.

If a someone who works for me has an important evening presentation and he decides to make the choice of having a couple of beers for to wash down lunch that day, he's just shown me that he has no respect for me, his job, his colleagues and others involved.

He's also history.

Still waiting a list of states that endorse the practice.

I do understand your position on this. I do not personally drink much at all. I do not drink beer and going out to have a few is not my standard of a good time. But that being said, this does not relate to the topic very much. And just because you smell something does not mean someone has been drinking automatically. And it really is not just for you to make that decision. We cannot always take our professional standards into officiating. It does not always apply as many professions have very different standards.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by asdf

If a someone who works for me has an important evening presentation and he decides to make the choice of having a couple of beers for to wash down lunch that day, he's just shown me that he has no respect for me, his job, his colleagues and others involved.

He's also history.

Obvious impairment is usually a good sign of a lack of respect for the job. However, according to one of our previous posters:

Originally Posted by ref2coach

Most humans process ~1/2 ounce of pure alcohol per hour. 1 shot of liquor, 1 beer, 5 oz wine each have ~1/2 ounce of alcohol. So depending on what time the drink(s) were consumed in relation to tip off time there may be absolutely no alcohol remaining in the blood stream.

Source, My Wife a full time Alcohol & Drug Counselor.

So, someone who has a couple of beers for lunch that day most likely has no alcohol in their system at the time of the evening presentation, so there is no alcohol-related impairment.

What basis are you using for your judgement of a lack of professionalism of this employee, and therefore the basis of his firing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by m&m guy

so, someone who has a couple of beers for lunch that day most likely has no alcohol in their system at the time of the evening presentation, so there is no alcohol-related impairment.

What basis are you using for your judgement of a lack of professionalism of this employee, and therefore the basis of his firing?

+7

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Obvious impairment is usually a good sign of a lack of respect for the job. However, according to one of our previous posters:

So, someone who has a couple of beers for lunch that day most likely has no alcohol in their system at the time of the evening presentation, so there is no alcohol-related impairment.

What basis are you using for your judgement of a lack of professionalism of this employee, and therefore the basis of his firing?

Precisely. It's individual responsibilty. He's force feeding his own moral code on others and as a 'partner' I would find this troublesome.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Precisely. It's individual responsibilty. He's force feeding his own moral code on others and as a 'partner' I would find this troublesome.

1 drink at lunch, 5-8 hours before a presentation, does not equate to a lack of respect. In this economy, you might be able to get away with threatening to fire an employee for it, but I still wouldn't recommend it. Would you fire that same employee if he had a drink at 1:00 am the night before a 7:00 am presentation?

Now, if you've got an employee with a real problem and there's more to it than a drink at lunch, it's a different story.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1 drink at lunch, 5-8 hours before a presentation, does not equate to a lack of respect. In this economy, you might be able to get away with threatening to fire an employee for it, but I still wouldn't recommend it. Would you fire that same employee if he had a drink at 1:00 am the night before a 7:00 am presentation?

Now, if you've got an employee with a real problem and there's more to it than a drink at lunch, it's a different story.

I think we've all exhausted trying to make sense this to this guy.

Thankfully, none of us will have to work with him.

[Adam]

Or for him.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by asdf

Swing and a miss...

My post game doesn't get any better than a couple of Dunkels along with a dozen wings.

My tangible reason is professionalism, respect for the game, respect for others.

If a someone who works for me has an important evening presentation and he decides to make the choice of having a couple of beers for to wash down lunch that day, he's just shown me that he has no respect for me, his job, his colleagues and others involved.

He's also history.

Still waiting a list of states that endorse the practice.

If someone (or you) has a couple drinks before bed and has an early presentation, do you hold the same standard? If not, you're be inconsistent. Alcohol disappates from the body the same whether awake or asleep. Having 1-2 at lunch before a 7:30 PM event is no different than having 1-2 around midnight, sleeping, then having and a 7:30 AM event. The only thing that is different is that the date changed.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If someone (or you) has a couple drinks before bed and has an early presentation, do you hold the same standard? If not, you're be inconsistent. Alcohol disappates from the body the same whether awake or asleep. Having 1-2 at lunch before a 7:30 PM event is no different than having 1-2 around midnight, sleeping, then having and a 7:30 AM event. The only thing that is different is that the date changed.

If the client or potential client sees the presenter in a bar at midnight, then sees him at 7:30am the next morning leading the presentation, I very seriously doubt the first thing going through his mind is alcohol dissipation rates.

Same thing goes for a coach, athletic director, principal, father of a player, school administrator, etc.....

If any (or all) sees said official walk into the arena/gym at 6:00pm for a 7:30pm game, and they realize it is the same official who was having a beer or two at 12:00 noon, it's all over the place in no time.

Not a lot of good can come of the situation, regardless of the outcome.

Anyone putting themselves in this situation won't be working for me and shouldn't be (my opinion) officiating.

I wonder why nobody seems eager to contact their state athletic association office for their opinion on the matter.

[Adam]

Because it's not worth wasting their time on stuff like this. You're the one who finds it to be such an integrity issue 7 hours before the game; have you contacted your state?

And most people I know wouldn't think twice about having seen a guy drinking a beer at lunch and then officiating that night.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by asdf

If the client or potential client sees the presenter in a bar at midnight, then sees him at 7:30am the next morning leading the presentation, I very seriously doubt the first thing going through his mind is alcohol dissipation rates.

Same thing goes for a coach, athletic director, principal, father of a player, school administrator, etc.....

If any (or all) sees said official walk into the arena/gym at 6:00pm for a 7:30pm game, and they realize it is the same official who was having a beer or two at 12:00 noon, it's all over the place in no time.

Not a lot of good can come of the situation, regardless of the outcome.

Anyone putting themselves in this situation won't be working for me and shouldn't be (my opinion) officiating.

I wonder why nobody seems eager to contact their state athletic association office for their opinion on the matter.

What do you do if the game official, AD, assignor says he's fit to work the game? Do you not work it, since you're not going to work with someone who has drank before the game?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SAJ

What do you do if the game official, AD, assignor says he's fit to work the game? Do you not work it, since you're not going to work with someone who has drank 7 hours before the game?

Fixed it for you.

[SAJ]

He could walk in holding a beer for all I care. What is asdf going to do if everyone in the place says that official is going to work the game?

[Welpe]

I think I need a drink now.