Drunken Referree

asdf · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 13, 2010, 12:25pm

There is absolutely no reason for any official, of any sport, at any level to consume alcohol prior to working a game that day.

None................

If I am in the locker room and I detect alcohol on the breath of a partner, he/she isn't working. If he/she insists, then I tell him I am going to notify the game administrator, AD, coach and/or whomever else I can think of that the partner in quetion has alcohol on his/her breath.

If the guy/gal, is that dumb enough to try to work the game after that, then they deserve the subsequent forfeiture of their license.

Texas Aggie · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 13, 2010, 06:13pm

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He is not my responsibility. Worry about yourself.

Dude, you can NOT be serious.

StripesOhio · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 13, 2010, 08:53pm

How do you know this guy was drunk? Did he perhaps react bad to medication, or maybe have an inner ear infection? Seems like his actions could be something other than public intoxication and NEVER working a game again.

Food for thought...but my guess he was drunk.

Upward ref · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by StripesOhio

How do you know this guy was drunk? Did he perhaps react bad to medication, or maybe have an inner ear infection? Seems like his actions could be something other than public intoxication and NEVER working a game again.

Food for thought...but my guess he was drunk.

Anything is possible , but I don't think i'll work with a "partner" with his shirt on backwards !

fullor30 · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 01:18am

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Originally Posted by asdf

There is absolutely no reason for any official, of any sport, at any level to consume alcohol prior to working a game that day.

None................

If I am in the locker room and I detect alcohol on the breath of a partner, he/she isn't working. If he/she insists, then I tell him I am going to notify the game administrator, AD, coach and/or whomever else I can think of that the partner in quetion has alcohol on his/her breath.

If the guy/gal, is that dumb enough to try to work the game after that, then they deserve the subsequent forfeiture of their license.

Bullcrap

asdf · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30

Bullcrap

Right...

Tell you what... Why don't you invite Dave Gannaway out for a cold beer and a sandwich prior to your next game.

fullor30 · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 05:11pm

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Right...

Tell you what... Why don't you invite Dave Gannaway out for a cold beer and a sandwich prior to your next game.

It wouldn't be a business lunch. One beer at noon and a varsity game at 7:30 I don't have a problem with. That said, other than my post regarding lacrosse game, I can't remember having a glass of wine or beer as I don't imbibe during the day.If I did, I certainly would make sure I didn't have any alchohol on my breath, and have a habit of a breath mint before every game.

I think you're confusing this site with the United Airlines pilots forum.

Double bullcrap.

wildcatter · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 15, 2010, 12:44am

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Originally Posted by fullor30

i think you're confusing this site with the united airlines pilots forum.

Hahaha, hilarious- nice!

asdf · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 15, 2010, 11:36am

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Originally Posted by fullor30

It wouldn't be a business lunch. One beer at noon and a varsity game at 7:30 I don't have a problem with. That said, other than my post regarding lacrosse game, I can't remember having a glass of wine or beer as I don't imbibe during the day.If I did, I certainly would make sure I didn't have any alchohol on my breath, and have a habit of a breath mint before every game.

I think you're confusing this site with the United Airlines pilots forum.

Double bullcrap.

Double bullcrap?? Is your real name Spaulding?

I have a better idea, invite Gannaway to your one-beer, noon lunch and explain to him that you have a varsity game at 7:30 that night.

I'm sure he'll endorse that thinking.

Better yet, when you greet the coaches before the game, why don't you tell them that you enjoyed a cold beer at a noon lunch that day.

fullor30 · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 15, 2010, 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by asdf

Double bullcrap?? Is your real name Spaulding?

I have a better idea, invite Gannaway to your one-beer, noon lunch and explain to him that you have a varsity game at 7:30 that night.

I'm sure he'll endorse that thinking.

Better yet, when you greet the coaches before the game, why don't you tell them that you enjoyed a cold beer at a noon lunch that day.

A little crisp today are we? I'm guessing there are or have been incidents close to home involving alcohol with you.

Regarding your zero tolerance, I went to Mass Sunday morning receiving the sacrament of Holy Communion which included Altar wine, I then (shudder) did a few kids games a few hours later.

I've heard Gannaway enjoys veal in a wine sauce or beer cheese soup, but you'd put a stop to that one.

If you're not involved in that cult down in Texas, you really should be on the United pilots forum, can you get me one of those spiffy captain's wings badges?

asdf · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 15, 2010, 05:04pm

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A little crisp today are we? I'm guessing there are or have been incidents close to home involving alcohol with you.

Regarding your zero tolerance, I went to Mass Sunday morning receiving the sacrament of Holy Communion which included Altar wine, I then (shudder) did a few kids games a few hours later.

I've heard Gannaway enjoys veal in a wine sauce or beer cheese soup, but you'd put a stop to that one.

If you're not involved in that cult down in Texas, you really should be on the United pilots forum, can you get me one of those spiffy captain's wings badges?

Classic, instead of answering why you would not tell the HC that you had a beer at lunch prior to his game, you try to insult me..... Weak.....

Then again....

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Originally Posted by fullor30

Really happened to me, I was scheduled to do a Lacrosse game late afternoon and had a business lunch that started late. I had a beer with lunch and was worried it was on my breath. I stopped at CVS and was pressed for time, grabbed a small travel bottle of mouth wash and took a shot as I got back into car, problem was it was hand sanitizer...........WOW!!!! My mouth lit up like three mile island

Looks to me like you can't make up your mind.....

If it's no problem having a beer, why were you worried about the beer being on your breath?

ripcord51 · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 08:43pm

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Originally Posted by asdf

Right...

Tell you what... Why don't you invite Dave Gannaway out for a cold beer and a sandwich prior to your next game.

Who is this Dave guy? Is he a big partier? Sounds like a good time.

JRutledge · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 08:50pm

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Who is this Dave guy? Is he a big partier? Sounds like a good time.

I do not know what you could be talking about?

Peace

JRutledge · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 01:37am

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Originally Posted by asdf

There is absolutely no reason for any official, of any sport, at any level to consume alcohol prior to working a game that day.

None................

Weeelllllll. I do know of a specific situation where in a playoff football game where an official had a heart attack. There happened to be an experienced official that was watching not intending on working went to a resturant before the game and had a couple of beers. Well he was asked to sub in for the official that had the heart attack. He told the crew his situation and even school officials and the accepted him to work. After all they asked him. I am not sure your position works for all situations.

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Originally Posted by asdf

If I am in the locker room and I detect alcohol on the breath of a partner, he/she isn't working. If he/she insists, then I tell him I am going to notify the game administrator, AD, coach and/or whomever else I can think of that the partner in quetion has alcohol on his/her breath.

If the guy/gal, is that dumb enough to try to work the game after that, then they deserve the subsequent forfeiture of their license.

So you are going to make someone not work because you "think" you smell something? What if the official denies it? What if you are wrong? I understand that you want to take a hard line here, but you better be right or able to prove it. Because is all you smell is something you think is alcohol and it is not alcohol, that might be a bigger problem. I agree I would be concerned, but not sure you can deny someone working just because of what you think.

Peace

amusedofficial · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 14, 2010, 05:31am

There should be no booze on the breath, let alone drunkenness, by an official at a kid's game and it should not knowingly be tolerated by anyone who is serving as an official at a kid's game. The stakes are too high and the standard of nontolerance is too well established. Team members involved with alcohol face being kicked off the team, and that is an educational stand taken by institutions and leagues. The only reason we are there is to further the educaational programs of the institutions involved. NO we're not teachers. But we are placed in a position of responsibility and authority involving minors.

We owe it to the institutions for which we do these games not to violate that precept.

That's the easy part. The hard part, as it is in any honor system, is to enforce it. We are paid to make judgment calls in games, but not to impose moral judgment on co-workers. Involvement with alcohol by someone in authority at a kid's event is a grave offense.

Maybe boards ought to establish a protocol in which officials know going in that other officials have an obligation to speak up if there is a substance abuse issue.

And for Pete's sake, if you have a beer at lunch grab a tin of Altoids.