An announcer gets it right

[Adam]

So the officials call a double personal foul for a) one player throwing an elbow that doesn't connect and b) the other player retaliating with a push?

[KCRC]

I agree with your point. I really thought that each would get a flagrant. So did Mr. Dykes. I don't want to criticize the officials' judgment. It was a close call, I wouldn't necessarily call it an elbow and a push. In the original post, I called it a "half elbow" followed by an arm bar. It all happened fast as they were separating from rebounding action. I wish I had video so you could see for yourself. My primary point was that Mr. Dykes was right on top of the rules situation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KCRC

I agree with your point. I really thought that each would get a flagrant. So did Mr. Dykes. I don't want to criticize the officials' judgment. It was a close call, I wouldn't necessarily call it an elbow and a push. In the original post, I called it a "half elbow" followed by an arm bar. It all happened fast as they were separating from rebounding action. I wish I had video so you could see for yourself. My primary point was that Mr. Dykes was right on top of the rules situation.

Not really, or he would have noted you can't call a personal foul when there's no contact. Was contact made?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So the officials call a double personal foul for a) one player throwing an elbow that doesn't connect and b) the other player retaliating with a push?

And they "upgraded" a no-call to a common foul? I thought you could only upgrade a foul that was called.

[KCRC]

Bob,

There was an original foul called by L, either a common foul or a double foul, couldn't tell from the original signal. Then the officials got together to discuss BEFORE going to the monitor. It was unclear what the actual original call turned out to be from the officials' discussion. So I don't think it was an upgrade from a no call to a double foul, but a double foul that did not get upgraded to a flagrant. You guys are better with the rules than I am. Does this make sense?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KCRC

Bob,

There was an original foul called by L, either a common foul or a double foul, couldn't tell from the original signal. Then the officials got together to discuss BEFORE going to the monitor. It was unclear what the actual original call turned out to be from the officials' discussion. So I don't think it was an upgrade from a no call to a double foul, but a double foul that did not get upgraded to a flagrant. You guys are better with the rules than I am. Does this make sense?

OK, this makes more sense; but I still question why they'd call a double personal foul when one of the players did not make contact with the other. It sounds like the best call would have been an unsporting T followed by an intentional Technical.

Not sure if this is considered a double T, though, as the Ts are different classes in NCAA (IMS).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

OK, this makes more sense; but I still question why they'd call a double personal foul when one of the players did not make contact with the other. It sounds like the best call would have been an unsporting T followed by an intentional Technical.

Not sure if this is considered a double T, though, as the Ts are different classes in NCAA (IMS).

Well, there was contact....takes two have any contact....just not on the first elbow. So, a double foul could still be a valid call.

[paxsonref]

Did he also mention that by rule, you cannot charge a personal foul after going to the monitor to review a flagrant?

If nothing was called, you can have these things....

1. Nothing - no call
2. Flagrant personal (or technical)
3. Intentional
4. Dead ball technical

you CANNOT add a personal foul after monitor review

If you have a personal foul called, you can have these things....

1. Original call (personal foul)
2. Flagrant
3. Intentional
4. Dead ball technical (if it was determinted to be during a dead ball instead)

oh, and did I mention, you CANNOT have a personal foul call tacked on after reviewing the monitor.....

Didn't see the game, so if it happened the way it was described, then it was administered incorrectly.