Oddest plays of the year

[representing]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

HS rec game - last few seconds of first half. A1 throws the ball at the basket from almost the opposite FT line. Ball hits A2 in the back of the head, bounces up and goes in the basket just before the horn. Coach A argued that it should have been a 3.

BTW - A1 told the scorer at halftime to give him credit for the basket and to give "A2's head" an assist.

Want to make sure I get this right...

If, before the clock runs out, the ball thrown from behind the 3-point line hits a teammate inside the 3-point line and goes in. Two points only.

Same situation, except it hits an opponent inside the 3-point line. Three points?

Clock runs out when thrown ball hits anyone, ball's dead.

Am I correct in all three?

[LocDog249]

Originally Posted by representing

Want to make sure I get this right...

If, before the clock runs out, the ball thrown from behind the 3-point line hits a teammate inside the 3-point line and goes in. Two points only.

Same situation, except it hits an opponent inside the 3-point line. Three points?

Clock runs out when thrown ball hits anyone, ball's dead.

Am I correct in all three?

First, I think you mean outside the line, as this was the same as the prior situation otherwise..... And would you consider A2's actions (getting ball throw off his head) a shot attempt?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by LocDog249

First, I think you mean outside the line, as this was the same as the prior situation otherwise..... And would you consider A2's actions (getting ball throw off his head) a shot attempt?

No, he meant inside the line...the difference in the two cases was which team hits the ball while inside the 3-point line.

[LocDog249]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, he meant inside the line...the different in the two cases was which team hits the ball while inside the 3-point line.

Yeah, I realized that just after posting again. I thought he was asking about it hitting a teammate who is also behind 3 point line. My bad.....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by representing

Want to make sure I get this right...

If, before the clock runs out, the ball thrown from behind the 3-point line hits a teammate inside the 3-point line and goes in. Two points only.

Same situation, except it hits an opponent inside the 3-point line. Three points?

Clock runs out when thrown ball hits anyone, ball's dead.

Am I correct in all three?

That one has been heavily debated in the past. Some argued that it would be as you said no matter how the ball was thrown or to what area. Others argued that this would only be the case if the initial trajectory of the ball was towards the basket....that a defender couldn't change what would have been a 3 into a 2 just by touching the ball....but that a defender couldn't also change what was never going anywhere near the basket into a 3 just becasue they deflected it.

The rules were/are a bit ambiguous on the point with one rule saying a thrown ball that goes in is a 3, even if the defense touches it with another rule/case having a situation where it is only a two if it bounces off someone's head into the basket.

I'm in the camp of counting only 2 unless the ball was thrown towards the basket to start....meaning B's touch was more or less just a touch and not a bat of the ball in an entirely new act.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That one has been heavily debated in the past. Some argued that it would be as you said no matter how the ball was thrown or to what area. Others argued that this would only be the case if the initial trajectory of the ball was towards the basket....that a defender couldn't change what would have been a 3 into a 2 just by touching the ball....but that a defender couldn't also change what was never going anywhere near the basket into a 3 just becasue they deflected it.

The rules were/are a bit ambiguous on the point with one rule saying a thrown ball that goes in is a 3, even if the defense touches it with another rule/case having a situation where it is only a two if it bounces off someone's head into the basket.

I'm in the camp of counting only 2 unless the ball was thrown towards the basket to start....meaning B's touch was more or less just a touch and not a bat of the ball in an entirely new act.

I agree with Camron on this one. I'm counting 2 either way. Try/throw is over, it's a whole new act and I'll treat it like B1 threw the ball into the wrong basket.

The only way I'm counting this as three is if it hit's A2's head outside the arc before bouncing in the basket.

[Welpe]

It is my first season officiating basketball, everything has been strange to me.

I wrap up the season with two Freshman boys games tonight.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That one has been heavily debated in the past. Some argued that it would be as you said no matter how the ball was thrown or to what area. Others argued that this would only be the case if the initial trajectory of the ball was towards the basket....that a defender couldn't change what would have been a 3 into a 2 just by touching the ball....but that a defender couldn't also change what was never going anywhere near the basket into a 3 just becasue they deflected it.

The rules were/are a bit ambiguous on the point with one rule saying a thrown ball that goes in is a 3, even if the defense touches it with another rule/case having a situation where it is only a two if it bounces off someone's head into the basket.

I'm in the camp of counting only 2 unless the ball was thrown towards the basket to start....meaning B's touch was more or less just a touch and not a bat of the ball in an entirely new act.

I had that exact play and ruled it a 2. Clearly a line drive pass parallel to the floor to a teammate in the high post. Deflection inside the arc changed the trajectory and it went in. Ran it by my old interpreter who was on the rules committee recently. He indicated that as I described it, the ruling was correct.

[MelbRef]

Weird in a funny way, I guess.

GJV.
I'm lead, under the basket.
High rebound and girl (instead of catching it) hits it backcourt like a volleyball serve.

With the whistle in my mouth I kinda laugh under my breath, and my whistle goes "tweet".

Everyone stops and looks, like "what's the call".

I go with IW, and we play on.

[representing]

Originally Posted by representing

Want to make sure I get this right...

If, before the clock runs out, the ball thrown from behind the 3-point line hits a teammate inside the 3-point line and goes in. Two points only.

Same situation, except it hits an opponent inside the 3-point line. Three points?

Clock runs out when thrown ball hits anyone, ball's dead.

Am I correct in all three?

I meant a try for a basket.

As for the defense hitting the ball, if a player shoots the ball outside the 3-point line and a defensive player tips the ball, last jumping from inside the line, it still counts as 3.

Wouldn't the same apply if it's a try at basket, comes short and bounces off of an opponent's head, shoulder, or whatever and goes in.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by representing

I meant a try for a basket.

As for the defense hitting the ball, if a player shoots the ball outside the 3-point line and a defensive player tips the ball, last jumping from inside the line, it still counts as 3.

Wouldn't the same apply if it's a try at basket, comes short and bounces off of an opponent's head, shoulder, or whatever and goes in.

Did you try looking it up? The exact play is detailed in the case book.

Case book play 4-41-4SitB(b)

Knowing when a try ends is pretty fundamental.

As usual, you had it wrong.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

I meant a try for a basket.

As for the defense hitting the ball, if a player shoots the ball outside the 3-point line and a defensive player tips the ball, last jumping from inside the line, it still counts as 3.

Wouldn't the same apply if it's a try at basket, comes short and bounces off of an opponent's head, shoulder, or whatever and goes in.

Think about it this way for a second:
A1 releases a try from outside the arc. It bounces off the rim and the rebound hits B1's head and goes in the basket. What's your call?

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Think about it this way for a second:
A1 releases a try from outside the arc. It bounces off the rim and the rebound hits B1's head and goes in the basket. What's your call?

When you put it that way, it makes sense. I got a little confused about it. Thanks Snaqs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

When you put it that way, it makes sense. I got a little confused about it. Thanks Snaqs.

Sometimes it helps to think of a common play for which the same rules apply. We've all seen, at some point, a defender tip a rebound in with his hands.

[Nevadaref]

I was watching a BV game which went to OT. Thankfully, I wasn't officiating it!

The ball was tossed and tapped into open space. One of the two opposing players going for it fouled the other. The offended team was in the bonus. The table crew sounded the horn and asked the officials which way to point to the AP arrow. While I have known the rule covering this situation for years, I've never seen it come into play.