Almost an ejection

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

...At this point, I stopped him. I told him, "That's enough about that. You just got a technical foul and you are extremely close to being run out of this gym. Getting yourself ejected here would be a big mistake."

Normally I would not be in favor of talking like this, but this guy was a millimeter from a second technical foul and, quite frankly, it was up to him. I was done trying to keep him in the game ...

Maybe you would have been doing his team a favor by tossing him. Does an ejection mean a suspension from your state board? This team might benefit from a break from the guy.

[mbyron]

Once I tossed an obnoxious coach and the crowd clapped -- parents of both teams.

[grunewar]

Thanks for sharing the story Rich.

Gives us a good insight on one way to handle an interesting situation!

I've only WHACKED one coach and never tossed one.

But, I still have plenty of games left in these old bones to improve on that record.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe you would have been doing his team a favor by tossing him. Does an ejection mean a suspension from your state board? This team might benefit from a break from the guy.

No suspension, just a form letter saying "don't do it again." I know this from having some ejections in baseball.

Like I said in my car to my partner -- it's funny how in baseball this guy would've definitely gotten chunked but in basketball an ejection is like dropping a nuclear warhead. In 22 years, I've had 2 ejections -- one was a coach who followed me to the locker room at halftime in my third or fourth year (he got a technical in the first half) and the other was a coach at a Christian school 15 years ago (I called the second technical -- the first was by my partner 30 seconds into the game after a block/charge).

[refguy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

No suspension, just a form letter saying "don't do it again." I know this from having some ejections in baseball.

Like I said in my car to my partner -- it's funny how in baseball this guy would've definitely gotten chunked but in basketball an ejection is like dropping a nuclear warhead. In 22 years, I've had 2 ejections -- one was a coach who followed me to the locker room at halftime in my third or fourth year (he got a technical in the first half) and the other was a coach at a Christian school 15 years ago (I called the second technical -- the first was by my partner 30 seconds into the game after a block/charge).

Why?!? Had a game where we tossed both head coaches before halftime. It's just like any other basketball rule. If a player steps outside the guidelines of what's legal, we call a foul. If a coach steps outside the guidelines of sporting behavior, we call a foul. Players foul out all the time. Coaches do too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by refguy

Why?!? Had a game where we tossed both head coaches before halftime. It's just like any other basketball rule. If a player steps outside the guidelines of what's legal, we call a foul. If a coach steps outside the guidelines of sporting behavior, we call a foul. Players foul out all the time. Coaches do too.

It's just not true, not in my experience, not in the six states I've worked in. Ejecting a basketball coach is a much more rare occurrence than ejecting a baseball coach or football coach.

[refguy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's just not true, not in my experience, not in the six states I've worked in. Ejecting a basketball coach is a much more rare occurrence than ejecting a baseball coach or football coach.

I'm not saying it should be more common. But the same type of behavior should receive the same penalty. And I truly believe that officials try to ignore behavior way too often when it is outside the lines. Example #1 - Bob Huggins
I think most of it is fear of how it will affect officials' schedules.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by refguy

I'm not saying it should be more common. But the same type of behavior should receive the same penalty. And I truly believe that officials try to ignore behavior way too often when it is outside the lines. Example #1 - Bob Huggins
I think most of it is fear of how it will affect officials' schedules.

Not at all in our case. Trust me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by refguy

Why?!? Had a game where we tossed both head coaches before halftime. It's just like any other basketball rule. If a player steps outside the guidelines of what's legal, we call a foul. If a coach steps outside the guidelines of sporting behavior, we call a foul. Players foul out all the time. Coaches do too.

Ejections of coaches are a big deal here in VA. I believe the fine is $500 to the school, which I've heard they sometimes schools pass all or part of that fine to the HC.

All ejections get an appeals process prior to the fine being impossed by the VHSL. So anytime we have an HC ejection we have to give our commissioner a written report within a day or two.

[26 Year Gap]

I had a game this season which merited an ejection. I had given the first technical and did not want to issue the second one. I should have taken the poison pill though because it carried over into the second game. If I have this school next year and the coaching staff is the same, it WILL be pre-gamed.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

No suspension, just a form letter saying "don't do it again." I know this from having some ejections in baseball.

Like I said in my car to my partner -- it's funny how in baseball this guy would've definitely gotten chunked but in basketball an ejection is like dropping a nuclear warhead. In 22 years, I've had 2 ejections -- one was a coach who followed me to the locker room at halftime in my third or fourth year (he got a technical in the first half) and the other was a coach at a Christian school 15 years ago (I called the second technical -- the first was by my partner 30 seconds into the game after a block/charge).

I agree in baseball for some reason coaches just its part of the deal. You run them, hey still might kick a bit, but they go. you write up the report, life goes on. While I've given out a few T's to coaches in my first 2 years, I've never been closer to an ejection, but yes there does seem to be that "nuclear warhead" kind of dynamic attached to it.
Nice job with the sitch....I learned a lot from it should I ever be traveling down a similar road with a coach.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe you would have been doing his team a favor by tossing him. Does an ejection mean a suspension from your state board? This team might benefit from a break from the guy.

I had a similar SIT in a absolute route. He had been whacked once and by the second half it was obvious that he didn't want to be there. He goes into complete retard mode. All three of us agreed that if we had to be here during this horrible game so did he. I want to say it may have been and Earl Strom line. During a time-out I was nearest the opposing team bench. My partners went over and talked to him. They told him in so many words that we all agreed not to run him, and that if we had to be here, so did he. During the same time-out the other coach asked me why we were taking so much crap from him. So I told him the same thing. It was all really pretty awesome. Following the time-out he sat in his chair and didn't say another word. The assistants yelled in plays and defense.

[Rich]

Yesterday I had a 3-person boys game and I didn't know our third (I rode with the guy from Friday night) and he asked where we were this past week.

When I mentioned the teams from Friday, he went into a long story about the same coach. He actually talked to the AD after the 3rd game he had with them and asked the AD why the coach acted the way he did. The AD was surprised at the question, even though she had been to a number of the games.

I didn't ask him if he had given the coach a technical, though, although he mentioned a pair of player technicals as part of the story. I'm guessing he didn't, which reminds me of an old assigner (baseball) of mine -- when an umpire would call to complain about a coach, he'd ask for the ejection report. When the umpire would reply that he didn't eject the coach, the assigner would say, "then you didn't really have a problem, did you?"