Correctable Error

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

He said that he killed the play with the ball still in A's possession after the throw-in for the foul, IF that is the case you shoot the free-throws live. This would be under rule 2-10-6 (this is last yrs book) when correcting merited free throws: if there has been no change in team possession when the error was recognized. The play SHALL resume after free-throw attempts.

And you're still wrong.

Read rule 9-1-3--"If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane."

It's that simple.

RIF

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

He said that he killed the play with the ball still in A's possession after the throw-in for the foul, IF that is the case you shoot the free-throws live. This would be under rule 2-10-6 (this is last yrs book) when correcting merited free throws: if there has been no change in team possession when the error was recognized. The play SHALL resume after free-throw attempts.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And you're still wrong.

Read rule 9-1-3--"If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane."

It's that simple.

RIF

If Team A had maintained possession are you saying you are going to shoot the free throws then give the ball back to A?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure you could have, no change of possession had occurred. Line 'em up and shoot. It looks, though, like A scored pretty quickly after you noticed the fouls went up. That'll teach Bs coach to pipe up in that situation, too.

As Bob has said, the incentive seems to be to give everyone an interest in getting it right the first time; because it could end up hurting anyone depending on how it goes down.

I call bullcrap on that line of thinking every time. It's just as likely (actually more likely) that A's HC and/or scorekeeper purposely waited for play to resume before notifying the officials.

All game long we want coaches to coach and let us officiate but now all of a sudden a coach is supposed to perform Quality Control for the table and officiating crew.

This particular rule is just plain and simply a bad rule (JAR, where are you when I need you?) Needs to be changed so that if the offended team scores, the timeframe for the CE expires. Right now the offended team's HC has no incentive to identify the error until after his team has had a chance to score extra points.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This particular rule is just plain and simply a bad rule (JAR, where are you when I need you?) Needs to be changed so that if the offended team scores, the timeframe for the CE expires. Right now the offended team's HC has no incentive to identify the error until after his team has had a chance to score extra points.

That's exactly how they modified in FIBA: if the team who should have shot the FT scores, the error is ignored and play resumes with an endline throw-in.

44.3.2 Failure to award a merited free throw(s).
• If there has been no change in possession of the ball since the error was made, the game shall be resumed after correction of the error as after any normal free throw.
• If the same team scores after having been erroneously awarded possession of the ball for a throw-in, the error shall be disregarded.

Otherwise, the error is corrected by shooting the free throws with lane cleared and play is resumed from the point of interruption (I know, there's no POI rule in FIBA, but that's the concept).

Ciao

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

That's exactly how they modified in FIBA: if the team who should have shot the FT scores, the error is ignored and play resumes with an endline throw-in.

Otherwise, the error is corrected by shooting the free throws with lane cleared and play is resumed from the point of interruption (I know, there's no POI rule in FIBA, but that's the concept).

Ciao

Good. FIBA has this one right.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And you're still wrong.

Read rule 9-1-3--"If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane."

It's that simple.

RIF

I don't think PIAA was arguing that, he was mistakenly (as you can see from his last post he realizes it) assuming the play was dead when A was in possession of the ball. Had that been the case, then he would be correct that the game would be resumed with the free throws, not at the POI.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I don't think PIAA was arguing that, he was mistakenly (as you can see from his last post he realizes it) assuming the play was dead when A was in possession of the ball. Had that been the case, then he would be correct that the game would be resumed with the free throws, not at the POI.

Yup.

[gslefeb]

Could you have waited until B1 had the ball to start the throw in, to check with the table? Therefore, no correctable error and play on?

[refguy]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

Could you have waited until B1 had the ball to start the throw in, to check with the table? Therefore, no correctable error and play on?

Interesting way to do it. That way they don't get the extra point(s).
If they shoot and miss, then kill it and put em on the line.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by refguy

Interesting way to do it. That way they don't get the extra point(s).

Intentionally waiting when you know about the error prior to the ball becoming live would be cheating.

Originally Posted by refguy

If they shoot and miss, then kill it and put em on the line.

Depends upon which team has the arrow in its favor because the POI for the whistle in the middle of play for the CE following a missed try prior to a rebound would be the AP arrow.
Team A --> no change of team possession, line everyone up and administer the 1-1.
Team B --> opposing team is now due a throw-in, so that's a change of team possession. 1-1 with lane cleared and then resume at POI, which is the AP throw-in for Team B.

In other words, your solution doesn't help the situation. It could just make it worse.