Calif shot clock question

[mutantducky]

after held ball reset on air ball, blocked shot
also on one of those plays when the player can't release the ball because the defender is blocking it back. I assume a reset but wanted to check when the ball doesn't leave player's hands. or maybe if it does slightly but hard to tell.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

after held ball reset on air ball, blocked shot
also on one of those plays when the player can't release the ball because the defender is blocking it back. I assume a reset but wanted to check when the ball doesn't leave player's hands. or maybe if it does slightly but hard to tell.

a question???
Y'all sure have a funny way of counting in California.

[love2refbball]

Not sure I understand your question correctly, but there wouldn't be a reset in either situation unless the ball hits rim or changes possession, or the defense committed a foul.

[brainbrian]

If the ball remains with the same team it wouldn't reset because the ball didn't hit the rim and a foul didn't occur.

If the jump ball caused a turnover, obviously then there would be a full reset.

[mutantducky]

no in our state it gets reset. I don't like it. I assume it does in my question because it is a blocked shot just one of those times when the ball isn't released.

"Shot blocked by B1, simultaneously recovered by B2 and A2 for a held ball = alternating-possession arrow, new shot clock."

[deecee]

That could be new and I will have to look for my current California handbook but the only time it resets is after it hits the rim or fouls or a defensive kick ball.

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

after held ball reset on air ball, blocked shot

So I guess you answered your own question, but what did you mean by the above?

Sorry I was going by NCAA rule not California rule.

Edit: Does a kick ball do a full reset in CA or just a partial reset like NCAA?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

So I guess you answered your own question, but what did you mean by the above?

Sorry I was going by NCAA rule not California rule.

Edit: Does a kick ball do a full reset in CA or just a partial reset like NCAA?

full reset

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

That could be new and I will have to look for my current California handbook but the only time it resets is after it hits the rim or fouls or a defensive kick ball.

There's nothing new. If you have alternating possession, and the offense is keeping the ball ,no reset......

[Nevadaref]

There have been so many incorrect responses in this thread that I am compelled to post and set it straight.

First, note that the state of California, under the CIF, uses a shot clock for both boys and girls HS basketball. Secondly, be aware that the shot clock is governed by the CIF modifications as set forth in this document: http://www.norcalofficials.org/pdf/CIF.pdf

On page 5 of that document is the ruling, "Shot blocked by B1, simultaneously recovered by B2 and A2 for a held ball = alternating-possession arrow, new shot clock." This means that a full reset is given in this particular situation no matter which team has the arrow. This is because the held ball occurred during a time when there was no team control. This is different from when Team A has control and Team B forces a held ball. In that case, there is no reset of the shot clock, if the arrow favors Team A. (BTW the NCAA men's rule is exactly the same as this. The NCAA women's side does not reset in either situation. One poster wrote incorrect information on this.)

Now the OP inquires about the situation in which the defense causes a held ball by preventing an airborne opponent from releasing a try for goal or a pass.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

also on one of those plays when the player can't release the ball because the defender is blocking it back. I assume a reset but wanted to check when the ball doesn't leave player's hands.

This is NOT the same as the specific situation above in which a reset occurs because team control was never relinquished due to the fact that the try never got into flight. So the ruling is no reset if the arrow favors Team A, just as if A1 had been merely holding the ball when B1 forced a held ball.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

or maybe if it does slightly but hard to tell.

If the ball is slightly released, then the official should not be calling a held ball. Play should simply continue. If you can't see a release and deem that a held ball occurred, the no reset is the proper decision for the CIF shot clock.

[Nevadaref]

BTW we just had a thread on this very question: Shot Clock Reset Question

[mutantducky]

thanks, got it. no reset if not released. The slightly released I meant the ball say was separated a mere inch from the players hands before being blocked and somehow resulting in a held ball. reset the clock. I saw the earlier thread, it was the no released shot one that tripped me up a bit.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

thanks, got it. no reset if not released. The slightly released I meant the ball say was separated a mere inch from the players hands before being blocked and somehow resulting in a held ball. reset the clock. I saw the earlier thread, it was the no released shot one that tripped me up a bit.

I still say that what is in red shouldn't happen unless the official makes a poor decision.


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