The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 01:27am
M.A.S.H.
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,030
Correctable Error

Well for the first time I had a correctable error.... uhhhg.

Home team has the ball in the front court. A21 is fouled. Board shows 5 fouls on visiting team.

Ball is put back in play and I take a glance up at the board...it goes from 5 to 7 - crap! Home team is working their offense and HC is saying we should be shooting...home team scores. I kill it and go to the table.

Get it all sorted out and confirm that indeed it was the 7th team foul.

We send A21 to the line to shoot 1&1 with the lane cleared. Makes first, missed second.

V got the ball for spot throw-in on the endline and we continued from there...
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 02:03am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 69
After 11 years I had my first one ever too. I blame it on the oldest table staff being about 15, and them putting an "extra" foul up 30 seconds after it occurred. On the foul in question, they put it up as the 6th, then after putting ball in play, and a little while later, it goes to 7 team fouls.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 05:04am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjones1 View Post
Well for the first time I had a correctable error.... uhhhg.

Home team has the ball in the front court. A21 is fouled. Board shows 5 fouls on visiting team.

Ball is put back in play and I take a glance up at the board...it goes from 5 to 7 - crap! Home team is working their offense and HC is saying we should be shooting...home team scores. I kill it and go to the table.

Get it all sorted out and confirm that indeed it was the 7th team foul.

We send A21 to the line to shoot 1&1 with the lane cleared. Makes first, missed second.

V got the ball for spot throw-in on the endline and we continued from there...
Was that your POI? I think that you made one small mistake.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 09:45am
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Just a thought, but couldn't you have stopped it when you saw it go from 5 to 7? I'm assuming the offense wasn't in the process of actually scoring.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 09:47am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,896
In addition to what Nevada said, how long was there between you noticing the foul count at 7 and the home team scoring? Was home in the midst of action going for a score when you saw it or were they just working the ball?

I'm just wondering if there would have been an appropriate to kill the clock before the score. Would have allowed you to shoot the FTs with everyone on the lane and eliminated the double opportunity to score from the foul.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 09:48am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,896
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells View Post
Just a thought, but couldn't you have stopped it when you saw it go from 5 to 7? I'm assuming the offense wasn't in the process of actually scoring.
You use so many less words than me. Something to work on. For me. In my postings. Because sometimes in trying to explain things I use too many words. And then my meaning isn't clear. Look, a dinosaur!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 11:48am
M.A.S.H.
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,030
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
Was that your POI? I think that you made one small mistake.
POI was the made bucket... V was allowed to run the endline but they didn't... as I was the administering official. Good catch.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells View Post
Just a thought, but couldn't you have stopped it when you saw it go from 5 to 7? I'm assuming the offense wasn't in the process of actually scoring.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdw3018 View Post
In addition to what Nevada said, how long was there between you noticing the foul count at 7 and the home team scoring? Was home in the midst of action going for a score when you saw it or were they just working the ball?

I'm just wondering if there would have been an appropriate to kill the clock before the score. Would have allowed you to shoot the FTs with everyone on the lane and eliminated the double opportunity to score from the foul.
Well, the throw-in spot was on the endline... they made a pass to the block.

If the ball had already been made live and inbounded; I don't think you could have resumed with the free throws and with players in the lane.

Last edited by tjones1; Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:50am.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 12:35pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjones1 View Post
POI was the made bucket... V was allowed to run the endline but they didn't... as I was the administering official. Good catch.





Well, the throw-in spot was on the endline... they made a pass to the block.

If the ball had already been made live and inbounded; I don't think you could have resumed with the free throws and with players in the lane.
Sure you could have, no change of possession had occurred. Line 'em up and shoot. It looks, though, like A scored pretty quickly after you noticed the fouls went up. That'll teach Bs coach to pipe up in that situation, too.

As Bob has said, the incentive seems to be to give everyone an interest in getting it right the first time; because it could end up hurting anyone depending on how it goes down.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 12:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 265
You should have just shot the 1-1 live. (players on lane) Since their has been no change of possession you don't need to shoot with the lane cleared. I believe case book 2.10.1 E will help you. The case book is about what to do when possession changes and doesn't. In your case you killed the play with the team entitled to the free throws still in possession. So you would just shoot the free-throws like you would normally.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 12:53pm
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by PIAA REF View Post
You should have just shot the 1-1 live. (players on lane) Since their has been no change of possession you don't need to shoot with the lane cleared. I believe case book 2.10.1 E will help you. The case book is about what to do when possession changes and doesn't. In your case you killed the play with the team entitled to the free throws still in possession. So you would just shoot the free-throws like you would normally.
You may want to read rule 8-1-3. I believe that will help you because you are wrong. The lanes are cleared.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 12:59pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by PIAA REF View Post
You should have just shot the 1-1 live. (players on lane) Since their has been no change of possession you don't need to shoot with the lane cleared. I believe case book 2.10.1 E will help you. The case book is about what to do when possession changes and doesn't. In your case you killed the play with the team entitled to the free throws still in possession. So you would just shoot the free-throws like you would normally.
Hmmm. A gets a throwin and makes a basket. B is entitled to a throw in now. No change of possession?
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 01:18pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 265
He said that he killed the play with the ball still in A's possession after the throw-in for the foul, IF that is the case you shoot the free-throws live. This would be under rule 2-10-6 (this is last yrs book) when correcting merited free throws: if there has been no change in team possession when the error was recognized. The play SHALL resume after free-throw attempts.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 01:21pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 265
Never Mind

I didn't catch the home team scores comment.

Bucket counts, clear line, shoot 1-1, player can run endline.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 01:27pm
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by PIAA REF View Post
He said that he killed the play with the ball still in A's possession after the throw-in for the foul, IF that is the case you shoot the free-throws live. This would be under rule 2-10-6 (this is last yrs book) when correcting merited free throws: if there has been no change in team possession when the error was recognized. The play SHALL resume after free-throw attempts.
And you're still wrong.

Read rule 9-1-3--"If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane."

It's that simple.

RIF
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 01:31pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by PIAA REF View Post
He said that he killed the play with the ball still in A's possession after the throw-in for the foul, IF that is the case you shoot the free-throws live. This would be under rule 2-10-6 (this is last yrs book) when correcting merited free throws: if there has been no change in team possession when the error was recognized. The play SHALL resume after free-throw attempts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee View Post
And you're still wrong.

Read rule 9-1-3--"If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane."

It's that simple.

RIF
If Team A had maintained possession are you saying you are going to shoot the free throws then give the ball back to A?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells View Post
Sure you could have, no change of possession had occurred. Line 'em up and shoot. It looks, though, like A scored pretty quickly after you noticed the fouls went up. That'll teach Bs coach to pipe up in that situation, too.

As Bob has said, the incentive seems to be to give everyone an interest in getting it right the first time; because it could end up hurting anyone depending on how it goes down.
I call bullcrap on that line of thinking every time. It's just as likely (actually more likely) that A's HC and/or scorekeeper purposely waited for play to resume before notifying the officials.

All game long we want coaches to coach and let us officiate but now all of a sudden a coach is supposed to perform Quality Control for the table and officiating crew.

This particular rule is just plain and simply a bad rule (JAR, where are you when I need you?) Needs to be changed so that if the offended team scores, the timeframe for the CE expires. Right now the offended team's HC has no incentive to identify the error until after his team has had a chance to score extra points.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR

Last edited by Raymond; Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 01:34pm.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Correctable error lukealex Basketball 77 Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:27pm
Correctable Error johnnyrao Basketball 41 Wed Nov 15, 2006 05:44pm
Correctable Error? Stat-Man Basketball 7 Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:12am
correctable error cloverdale Basketball 12 Thu Sep 30, 2004 03:19am
Correctable Error? Viking32 Basketball 3 Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:48am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:00pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1