WVA vs. Louisville

[refguy]

Anyone watch this game just finished? Just wondering if anyone else has thoughts on how in the world Huggins didn't get ejected. He was a raving lunatic on multiple occasions.

[grunewar]

The WHACK was nice though!

I'm not a big Huggins fan......

Now I'm watching the Dookies get hammered........by the Hoyas.

Other than having three games canceled today by friggin SNOW again, the day isn't half bad!

[refguy]

Yep. I had yesterday and today cancelled - thankfully. Would have been 3 hours one way in snow and ice.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by grunewar

The WHACK was nice though!

I'm not a big Huggins fan......

Now I'm watching the Dookies get hammered........by the Hoyas.

Other than having three games canceled today by friggin SNOW again, the day isn't half bad!

Who is?

[dragonref]

I thought this thread might be discussing the out of bounds call that was in the last few seconds. I never saw a directional signal from Lead and was wondering what happened. Does any one have any insight into that call?

It is of course possbile (probable?) that call was made verbally and just no direction given since the Lead was ducking out of the way of the ball.

[mutantducky]

yeah I never saw a call either. AP maybe? Thought it was Louisville ball but it was hard to tell. I didn't see him point when he ducked or the other refs.
Kind of miffed in the Kentucky game just now why there wasn't an intentional foul called on Cousins. They went to the video and it was an obvious call. Perhaps because the guy made the three pointer and Vandy was getting the ball they didn't want to add on to it

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

yeah I never saw a call either. AP maybe? Thought it was Louisville ball but it was hard to tell. I didn't see him point when he ducked or the other refs.
Kind of miffed in the Kentucky game just now why there wasn't an intentional foul called on Cousins. They went to the video and it was an obvious call. Perhaps because the guy made the three pointer and Vandy was getting the ball they didn't want to add on to it

They can only go to the monitor to determine if it was flagrant or not. If the initial call wasn't "intentional" they cannot change it to intentional after going to the monitor.

[mutantducky]

aw that's it. I don't like that rule. NCAA should change it. Cousins was lucky he didn't hit the guy. The announcers were saying he's had issues and the SEC might look into it.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They can only go to the monitor to determine if it was flagrant or not. If the initial call wasn't "intentional" they cannot change it to intentional after going to the monitor.

This was changed this year! Here is the new rule (09-10):

2-13.2.d.....Determine if a contact flagrant foul occurred. When it is determined that a contact flagrant foul did not occur but an intentional personal, (men) contact dead ball technical foul or (women) a player-substitute technical foul for dead ball contact did occur, those fouls shall be penalized accordingly. However, no other infractions may be penalized.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

This was changed this year! Here is the new rule (09-10):

2-13.2.d.....Determine if a contact flagrant foul occurred. When it is determined that a contact flagrant foul did not occur but an intentional personal, (men) contact dead ball technical foul or (women) a player-substitute technical foul for dead ball contact did occur, those fouls shall be penalized accordingly. However, no other infractions may be penalized.

It is also important to note that the purpose of this rule is for upgrades of common fouls only. You cannot downgrade a call via the monitor. The rationale is that the monitor is to determine whether a flagrant occured. If the initial call is a flagrant then you have already made that determination. I'm assuming the same interpretation is true for the men's side.

[refguy]

Originally Posted by dragonref

I thought this thread might be discussing the out of bounds call that was in the last few seconds. I never saw a directional signal from Lead and was wondering what happened. Does any one have any insight into that call?

It is of course possbile (probable?) that call was made verbally and just no direction given since the Lead was ducking out of the way of the ball.

He never made a call and asked his partner for help. He didn't know either and they tried to figure out a way to go to the monitor for a clock error to look at it.
The possession before they got the out of bounds call wrong too and gave the ball to WVA who then hit the winning shot.

[All_Heart]

Here is the video:

[biz]

I didn't see the game and I just watched the video w/out sound at work. Did the officials use the monitor to determine who had the throw-in following the ball going OOB? I'm not real familiar with NCAA-M rules, but it was my impression that you could not use the monitor for this situation. Did they kick this or am I wrong?

I would tend to guess that I'm somehow wrong on this. That's a VERY experienced crew (Mike Kitts, Les Jones, and Jim Haney)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by biz

I didn't see the game and I just watched the video w/out sound at work. Did the officials use the monitor to determine who had the throw-in following the ball going OOB? I'm not real familiar with NCAA-M rules, but it was my impression that you could not use the monitor for this situation. Did they kick this or am I wrong?

I would tend to guess that I'm somehow wrong on this. That's a VERY experienced crew (Mike Kitts, Les Jones, and Jim Haney)

Using the link below, scroll down on the left and click on the story labelled "Big East admits errors by officials..."

courier-journal.com | Louisville Sports | The Courier-Journal

That gives some info but not a complete explanation. And most league offices, including the Big East, try to keep it that way imo. They don't need good officials being crucified because of a human error.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Using the link below, scroll down on the left and click on the story labelled "Big East admits errors by officials..."

courier-journal.com | Louisville Sports | The Courier-Journal

That gives some info but not a complete explanation. And most league offices, including the Big East, try to keep it that way imo. They don't need good officials being crucified because of a human error.

Here's the part of the article that I enjoyed - "In the Cards' Jan.16 overtime loss at Pittsburgh, officials let a Pitt player run the baseline on an inbounds play in the final minute when he should have been called for a walk." Is he saying what I think that he's saying?