Jump Ball Violation to begin game

[representing]

Originally Posted by chseagle

My wife saw this happen the other night as she was Shot Clock operator for the game. Start of GV game, white v. black, as ball was thrown for tip-off, either white22 or white42 (acting as center for the jump, though neither is listed as center) jumped early & a violation was called against white, so black had the ball, with the AP going to white. The timer started the clock as white touched the ball, 1 sec. ticked off. R went to table & said clock reset to 8:00.

Was the proper procedure followed in this situation?

If the violation occurred at or before the touch, no time should have been ticked off. So yes, reset the clock to 8:00. What was the violation? Touching the ball while it was still going up?

[Adam]

I wouldn't re-set the clock on this, assuming the violation was on the initial touch; but the rule seems vague to me. For evidence, see the entire discussion about whether the clock should be corrected if a player catches a throwin pass with his foot on the OOB line.

As for the rest, they did it correctly. Since the arrow had not yet been established, it will be established as soon as the thrower is handed the ball for the throw in.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I wouldn't re-set the clock on this, assuming the violation was on the initial touch; but the rule seems vague to me. For evidence, see the entire discussion about whether the clock should be corrected if a player catches a throwin pass with his foot on the OOB line.

As for the rest, they did it correctly. Since the arrow had not yet been established, it will be established as soon as the thrower is handed the ball for the throw in.

I would reset the clock in this specific case.
The reason is that the rules prohibit the player from touching the ball at this point. The prohibition is not on where the player is, but specifically for touching the ball prior to it reaching the apex of the toss. Therefore, the touch itself is not legal. To me that is the difference between this situation and the OOB plays in which a player standing on a boundary line touches the throw-in pass. In that case there is nothing wrong with touching the ball, the problem is where his feet are positioned.

The important rules are:
5-9-2 . . . If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started
when the tossed ball is legally touched.
6-3-6 . . .The tossed ball must be touched by one or both of the jumpers after
it reaches its highest point. If the ball contacts the floor without being touched by
at least one of the jumpers, the referee shall toss it again.
6-3-7 . . .Neither jumper shall:
a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by representing

If the violation occurred at or before the touch, no time should have been ticked off. So yes, reset the clock to 8:00. What was the violation? Touching the ball while it was still going up?

The ball hadn't reached the apex of the toss, so she touched the ball as it was going up.

When my wife was playing, she did this same exact thing.

The timer started the clock as soon as she touched the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The ball hadn't reached the apex of the toss, so she touched the ball as it was going up.

When my wife was playing, she did this same exact thing.

The timer started the clock as soon as she touched the ball.

Several years ago, when I was working in another city, in another state, I had the same team three games in a row. First game, they're the away team, and they steal the tip (get it on the way up). I froze and missed it, but realized it right away.

Two days later I was ready for them, and they did it again and I got it. This was in their home gym. Next game, they were away again, and they didn't do it. That game, however, had a fight in the last minute; but that's a topic for another thread.