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View Poll Results: Block? PC? No Call? Violation (Travel)?
Block 12 25.53%
PC 10 21.28%
No Call 23 48.94%
Violation (Travel)? 2 4.26%
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 12:55pm
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Another opinion poll

Block? Charge? No Call? Travel?

YouTube - No call 2010_01_15_01_24_02.avi

Then let the critiquing fly!
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 01:17pm
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Looks more like a no call to me. It cannot be a travel if the ball is knocked out of his hands.

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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 01:18pm
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I can see a no call here. Hard to tell from the video how much body contact there was. Appears the defender stopped moving forward before the offensive player went airborne and didn't cause contact with the arms.

No violation , as the offensive player definitely lost control of the ball (and on a try, no less, so he can dribble again when he recovers it).

The only other call I see as possible is a PC. But, like I said, hard to tell from the video how much contact there really was.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 01:30pm
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I had no call until I read Rut's response. Now I have a charge.

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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 01:33pm
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On the play in question, I got nothing. I wonder if anyone else would have called 23 white (I think that's his number) for pushing on the rebound before that, though. Looks like he moves the kid about 6 feet towards the hoop.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 01:49pm
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I think it's a block or nothing. Hard to tell from this angle, but is the defender still moving laterally just after the shooter jumps?

Hard to tell which actually happened first.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 01:57pm
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your options are either block or PC....the contact affected both the defender (who went down) and the offensive player who lost the ball...contact taken in the chest/torso area....

I vote PC foul.

If you don't like that call, I can understand, however a call (block or charge) MUST be made...you can't pass on this.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 02:01pm
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If you don't like that call, I can understand, however a call (block or charge) MUST be made...you can't pass on this.
Why MUST a call be made?
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 02:22pm
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I think it's a block or nothing. Hard to tell from this angle, but is the defender still moving laterally just after the shooter jumps?

Hard to tell which actually happened first.
If anything I have a block. Looks to me like the defender is in fact moving laterally all the way up until contact (which means after the shooter has left the floor). Probably a fine no call though.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 02:31pm
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Looks more like a no call to me. It cannot be a travel if the ball is knocked out of his hands.

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I agree, but it's hard to tell from the angle how much contact was really made (the balck offensive player was moving obliquely, so he didn't "run through" the white defender), and how much the white defender flopped.

And, to answer someone else's question -- I wouldn't have a "rebounding foul" on white 23 -- although he was in contact with the black player, it looked to me as though the black player was moving forward mostly on his own, and the contact didn't affect the rebound (it went to the other side of the basket).
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 02:42pm
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your options are either block or PC....the contact affected both the defender (who went down) and the offensive player who lost the ball...contact taken in the chest/torso area....

I vote PC foul.

If you don't like that call, I can understand, however a call (block or charge) MUST be made...you can't pass on this.
Well, must is too strong a word. I'm passing on this as are many people in this thread.

Just cause a player goes down and/or the shot is affect doesn't mean it's a foul. Good defense alters shots. Lack of balance causes players to go down.

I do think the trail has happy feet, though. He's "sprinting" away from the basket as the kid is starting his drive.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 03:02pm
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I do think the trail has happy feet, though. He's "sprinting" away from the basket as the kid is starting his drive.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 03:05pm
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your options are either block or PC....the contact affected both the defender (who went down) and the offensive player who lost the ball...contact taken in the chest/torso area....

I vote PC foul.

If you don't like that call, I can understand, however a call (block or charge) MUST be made...you can't pass on this.
Why can't we pass on this? The contact looked minmal and looked like the defense was trying to "sell" the call. Also the defense had LGP and was straight up. The contact wasnt severe enough and therefore a no call is probably the best option.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 04:18pm
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I have a block...defense doesn't have LGP in my opinion. If you look at his feet, he is still moving sideways into the path of the shooter.
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Old Fri Jan 22, 2010, 04:24pm
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If you don't like that call, I can understand, however a call (block or charge) MUST be made...you can't pass on this.
I am not convinced it "must" be made. It is hard to tell if the contact is what caused the fall or the player was off balance. Again, I do not disagree based on what I am seeing if a call is made, but I think I can make a case for nothing being called also.

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