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View Poll Results: Block? PC? No Call? Violation (Travel)?
Block 12 25.53%
PC 10 21.28%
No Call 23 48.94%
Violation (Travel)? 2 4.26%
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 07:31am
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I have a block b/c the defender moved after A1 went airborne, but only if I'm the Lead pinching the paint. Trail and Slot were good in no-calling the play.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 09:53am
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I have a block...defense doesn't have LGP in my opinion. If you look at his feet, he is still moving sideways into the path of the shooter.
I agree...I originally had PC, but you can see that defender is still moving to his left to illegally block the dribbler....Block call....
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 11:05am
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I watched the video 6 times and still couldn't decide what I wanted to call...did defender have LGP? Can't tell for sure even with the benefit of replay...Did defender flop? Maybe, maybe not...Airbourne shooter and PC? Again, maybe, maybe not. Thus, if it's not obvious and apparent in real time, I'd leave it alone and play on. No Call. Seems like that's what the crew did here.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 01:01pm
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I have a block on the play.

I would also ask the trail if he is getting paid more money for that fake hustle.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 01:03pm
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I mean...

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I do think the trail has happy feet, though. He's "sprinting" away from the basket as the kid is starting his drive.
That Trail looks pretty fit and that he can "get up". Stay and officiate!
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 01:28pm
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I have a block on the play.

I would also ask the trail if he is getting paid more money for that fake hustle.
I'd love to have the C's look at this one. Instead we get this look, which makes us guess a bit.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 04:14pm
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After watching the video a few times...

The defender clearly establishes LGP before the offensive player goes airborne. He then moves slightly laterally and backward to maintain it. But his movement does not appear to change the the fundamental relationship between them. In other words, he was "there" before the offensive player went airborne, and what little movement he made did not substantially alter how the impending contact would occur. Certainly we prefer the defender be "set" on this play, but the defender is allowed to move to maintain LGP.

The offensive player is moving from the elbow directly to the basket, and the defender is directly in the path. The contact is squarely in the chest, and is caused by the offensive player. So, if I have a call on this, it's going to be PC.

However, from the video I can't tell how significant the contact really is. Nor do we have the context to know how earlier similar plays have been called/no-called.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 04:17pm
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However, from the video I can't tell how significant the contact really is. Nor do we have the context to know how earlier similar plays have been called/no-called.
No problem.

Have a poll.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 09:25pm
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Nor do we have the context to know how earlier similar plays have been called/no-called.

Is this something we really need to know? Similar plays were similar. They were not the same. This call may or may not be the same.
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Old Sat Jan 23, 2010, 09:27pm
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No problem.

Have a poll.
I'm ambivalent about polls. However, I have found that such discussions are useful. Even more useful than finding out what others think of a particular play or call is finding out how others think about and evaluate plays.
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No problem.

Have a poll.
I'm ambivalent about polls. However, I have found that such discussions are useful. Even more useful than finding out what others think of a particular play or call is finding out how others think about and evaluate plays.

And I am unanimous in that!
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