Sub never reported during TO

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Agree with both of you, I assumed he had the ball, but we don't know. Still wondering about the handing of the ball.

Clarification. It was boys varsity. The ball was not yet at the thrower's disposal. It was a throw-in for white on the end-line under their basket. So partner was about to hand the ball to white.

What we did: We got together, discussed, T'd white bench, indirect to head coach, black ball at mid court. But after the game we were thinking we totally kicked it because in the rules it says a substitute becomes a player once the clock starts. So we were thinking we should have just sent the kid back to the table and brought back out the kid who was subbed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Clarification. It was boys varsity. The ball was not yet at the thrower's disposal. It was a throw-in for white on the end-line under their basket. So partner was about to hand the ball to white.

What we did: We got together, discussed, T'd white bench, indirect to head coach, black ball at mid court. But after the game we were thinking we totally kicked it because in the rules it says a substitute becomes a player once the clock starts. So we were thinking we should have just sent the kid back to the table and brought back out the kid who was subbed.

The sub was on the court without being beckoned or reporting, it's a T to the player that does not include an indirect on the coach. It's a sub T in the summary chart.

If you hadn't caught it until the ball became live, it would have been too late.

At any high school level (Freshman and above), I'd call this T without blinking. At ms and below, I'd consider sending him to the table, depending on the prevailing practice in that particular area/league.

[Scratch85]

10.2.1B(b)

Exact case play. As Snaqs says, no indirect.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

at any high school level (freshman and above), i'd call this t without blinking. At ms and below, i'd consider sending him to the table, depending on the prevailing practice in that particular area/league.

+1

[bbcof83]

OK, 10-2 makes it pretty clear:

A sub shall not enter the court:
Art 1. Without reporting to the scorer.
Art 2. Without being beckoned by an official, except between quarters.
PENALTY: Two FTs plus the ball for a division line throw in. One foul for either or both requirements. Penalized if discovered before the ball becomes live.

[BillyMac]

A substitute shall not enter the court without reporting to the scorer; and without being beckoned by an official, except between periods. Substitute technical foul. A maximum of one foul for either, or both, requirements, reporting, and/or beckoned. A substitute technical foul is charged if recognized by an official before the ball becomes live following the first dead ball. Once the ball becomes live, the substitute is a legal player at that point, the foul is not penalized.