Overturning an OOB call

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If there's a marginal bump and the ball shoots out of bounds some officials will simply call the out of bounds violation and life goes on (in the middle of the floor there's no leeway -- loss of possession due to contact and it's going to be called a foul).

Some are for it, some are against it, few are stupid enough to try to explain that to a coach. Silence can't be misquoted.

This is exactly right. You may or may not like it, but it's the expected call in some areas. Frankly, in this situation, I'd make a note of it and change the way I go about it. Around here, I have explained this to coaches (it's the expected practice) and they understand it. I've never had one question it after the explanation.

In this case, I'd simply stop doing it and start calling the fouls. I might even be inclined to change the initial call to a foul on B1 (assuming I remembered B1's number).

[KCRC]

Rich and Snaq,

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if I like it or not. My gut reaction is that I'm not a fan of passing on a foul. However, I could be convinced otherwise when I start calling games myself.

Correct me if I am wrong. A summary of your feedback is that the practice is not really supported by rule, but is a mechanic or technique to manage the flow of the game. Many, if not most, assigners or evaluators expect the technique to be used. So it is used.

Has anyone ever come accross an assignor or evaluator that specifically did not support the technique?

[Adam]

I don't want to speak for "most" areas, so I don't know how widely used it is. I can tell you the feedback I've gotten from the more senior refs in my association (the refs I've been told to listen to) on both formal evaluations and informal discussions has been to use this.

Now, there are two scenarios where this happens.

1. White contacts blue in the process of the ball going out of bounds off of white.

2. White contacts blue in the process of the ball going out of bounds off of blue.

1 may not actually be a foul, due to the advantage being negated by the ball going OOB. This is a legitimate no-call by rule.

2 is more sketchy by rule, but there are some locales where it's expected on slight contact that should, by rule, be a foul due to the result of the play.