How bad does this look?

[Adam]

1. It looks bad that your partner didn't look at you before administering the FT.
2. It looks bad that the C didn't notice either.
3. This is a good secondary reason to have your partner inform the coach that it's the 5th foul.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

3. This is a good secondary reason to have your partner inform the coach that it's the 5th foul.

So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

It keeps the coaches from retaliating against the 5th-foul-calling official.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

1. It prevents the situation you had.
2. I believe it's the mechanic, it used to be anyway.
3. Switching on fouls slows the game down, too, but we still do that.
4. As mentioned, it difuses a potentially hostile situation.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

That's what the Fed recommends you do. However, what did you pre-game for DQ'd players?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

You don't have to go all the way to your partner and get face-to-face. Just turn and make sure you have his attention so he knows not to administer the FT. Give him the quick "five" sign or at least a "hold" sign so he knows to hold up.

If there's a time to slow the game down, it's when you have to take care of an administrative procedure.

Your partner obviously wasn't confirming with you on the shots before administering.

All that said, I've been in games where partners want to make an effort to "speed up the game". While I'm all for hustling to position and not lolly-gagging administrative stuff, this often leads to these types of problems. If you and your partners have, several times before in the game, administered free throws before making eye contact with the reporting official, there was no reason for them to wait for you this time. What did you do to tell them it was different?

There are lots of times we can hustle and take care of business quickly. There are a few times when slowing the game down is critical. There is never a time to get in such a big hurry that both or all three partners aren't on the same page.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

3. This is a good secondary reason to have your partner inform the coach that it's the 5th foul.

I know this is the mechanic Snaq, but in reality how practical is this in some cases? You go to the table to report a lot of times the scorer is already looking at you when you get there with the "five" up. Are you walking away from the table to go tell one of your partners (who are either lining up for free throw or inbounds) that you have five fouls, go tell the coach? It seems like most times if I come to the table I end up informing the coach just to keep things moving.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I know this is the mechanic Snaq, but in reality how practical is this in some cases? You go to the table to report a lot of times the scorer is already looking at you when you get there with the "five" up. Are you walking away from the table to go tell one of your partners (who are either lining up for free throw or inbounds) that you have five fouls, go tell the coach? It seems like most times if I come to the table I end up informing the coach just to keep things moving.

Okay, in reading, apparently it's an optional mechanic. In practice, I've gotten away from it. This situation just reminded me that I'd gone away from this lately. Here's the kicker, I've been in the OP situation before, but without an evaluator. I've learned this lesson the hard way.

At the very least, turn and tell your partners immediately; otherwise you'll have a sub coming in during a live ball and some officials will tell you that you should call the T.

You can bet I'll make sure this gets brought up in my pre-game tonight.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, in reading, apparently it's an optional mechanic. In practice, I've gotten away from it. This situation just reminded me that I'd gone away from this lately. Here's the kicker, I've been in the OP situation before, but without an evaluator. I've learned this lesson the hard way.

At the very least, turn and tell your partners immediately; otherwise you'll have a sub coming in during a live ball and some officials will tell you that you should call the T.

You can bet I'll make sure this gets brought up in my pre-game tonight.

I'm not sure if I like it or not. Informing the coach yourself gives you the opportunity to give a QUICK explanation which they are often looking for on a 5th foul and then inform the timer to start the clock - or better yet inform the timer to start the clock and THEN give a quick explanation. If it becomes heated you can always get out of there after, but at least the coach is on the clock. If you go get one of your partners to tell the coach, you are really giving them another 10 seconds or so to sub which effectively becomes a 30 second time out. Now to your point and that in the OP, you DEFINITELY want to pre-game this and make sure your partners know what is going on. If your partners are worth a damn they should not administer when you have your back to the floor EVER!

[Adam]

When the reporting official goes table side on this, he usually just turns around. The L could easily just glance and see him in position, looking towards the bench and think everything is Kosher. Mistakes happen.

I think the mechanic was put in place to difuse things, but to me the real benefit is ensuring the game isn't continued while your back is turned.

[Juulie Downs]

A. More communication between the partners. More eye contact, more talk, more signals.

B. Even if no communication, L should have seen you at the table and held the FT admin. All three whistles need to be more aware of the whole floor.

C. Evaluator needs to not yell, especially about something that un-impact-ful. Yea, it looks bad, but it was small, had no effect on the game, and you all still learned a lesson. Definitely not worth a temper tantrum.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I'm not sure if I like it or not. Informing the coach yourself gives you the opportunity to give a QUICK explanation which they are often looking for on a 5th foul and then inform the timer to start the clock - or better yet inform the timer to start the clock and THEN give a quick explanation. If it becomes heated you can always get out of there after, but at least the coach is on the clock. If you go get one of your partners to tell the coach, you are really giving them another 10 seconds or so to sub which effectively becomes a 30 second time out. Now to your point and that in the OP, you DEFINITELY want to pre-game this and make sure your partners know what is going on. If your partners are worth a damn they should not administer when you have your back to the floor EVER!

You are not there to give a quick explanation. You are there to inform the coach. Plus, why does it seem when a player gets disqualified the official walks all the way up to the table?

I call a foul. I report the foul from the reporting area. Table notifies me that the player has 5 fouls....first thing I do is turn to my partner(s) and communicate "5 fouls" (verbally and/or non-verbally)--it takes 2 seconds to do that.....THEN I approach the coach and notify him of the disqualification......

And on those rare occasions where I don't want to do the notification I will walk towards the slot official and say "let the coach know ## has 5 fouls".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, in reading, apparently it's an optional mechanic.

Right.

If it's "fouling at the end of the game to stop the clock and everyone knows it", then let the calling official handle it.

If it's "a close block/charge" and the calling official has alreadyhad words with the coach, let another official handle it.

It's up to the calling official to decide.

And, either way, all officials need to know what is going on before anyone else is told. This applies to 5th fouls, bonus, lenght of time outs, what happens after the TO is granted , ....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Right.

If it's "fouling at the end of the game to stop the clock and everyone knows it", then let the calling official handle it.

If it's "a close block/charge" and the calling official has alreadyhad words with the coach, let another official handle it.

It's up to the calling official to decide.

And, either way, all officials need to know what is going on before anyone else is told. This applies to 5th fouls, bonus, lenght of time outs, what happens after the TO is granted , ....

It's like this little cartoon my daughter used to watch a few years ago -- a bunny called Miffy. The moral of the story frequently was "when you rush everything goes wrong." True a lot in officiating.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I know this is the mechanic Snaq, but in reality how practical is this in some cases? You go to the table to report a lot of times the scorer is already looking at you when you get there with the "five" up. Are you walking away from the table to go tell one of your partners (who are either lining up for free throw or inbounds) that you have five fouls, go tell the coach? It seems like most times if I come to the table I end up informing the coach just to keep things moving.

+1.........additionally after notification, I may choose to switch with C to get out of dodge. The time between FTs can seem like a two hour college lecture when you just fouled coach's 'star'