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Terrapins Fan Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:35pm

How bad does this look?
 
3 man, Girls Varsity.

Good game to the end of the first half. 31-29. I am the R. We had a very good ( my opinion ) pre game. Evaluator in the stands, we know it.

Visitors take a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter. With 35 seconds left in the game, from the lead, I call a foul on home team #30. Table tells me it is her 5th foul. I go to the coach and tell him, he turns to a player for replacement. I tell the table to start the 20 second clock, I turn to tell #30 that it's her 5th foul, but the sub comes to the table and I beckon the sub into the game. I turn and tell my partner 2 shots.

We shot one shot and the players jump in for the rebound. I blow and say " that was 2 shots" Partner comes to me and says " we already shot this first one, that was the second".....We get it right and go to P.O.I and give it back to home who rebounded the ball.

How bad did we look? Over all, we had a very good game for 31 minutes plus.

chartrusepengui Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:37pm

Huh? They shot the first while your back was turned and you were taking care of business :confused:

tw1ns Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:38pm

I dont get why they would have shot the first one, when there was a disqualification? Where were you looking to allow this? And what were your partners doing?

Mark Padgett Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:39pm

Before the "second" shot, you didn't hear your partner yell "one shot" or whatever?

Terrapins Fan Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 652019)
Huh? They shot the first while your back was turned and you were taking care of business :confused:

Yes. When we went to shot the shoot that I thought was the first, but was the second, I was closer to the table and partner is not a loud person, so I did not hear him say " One"

It is a 94' floor and large gym with a crowd of about 250.

Terrapins Fan Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by tw1ns (Post 652020)
I dont get why they would have shot the first one, when there was a disqualification? Where were you looking to allow this? And what were your partners doing?

After I reported the foul, table told me " That's 5" I went to the coach, away from where we were shooting, So I am about 55 feet from the basket that we are shooting at. it all happened in about 15 seconds from the time I reported the foul, to tell the coach, to getting the sub into the game.

Adam Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:49pm

1. It looks bad that your partner didn't look at you before administering the FT.
2. It looks bad that the C didn't notice either.
3. This is a good secondary reason to have your partner inform the coach that it's the 5th foul.

GoodwillRef Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:51pm

I hope the evaluator had a dull pencil:eek:

Terrapins Fan Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:52pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 652026)
3. This is a good secondary reason to have your partner inform the coach that it's the 5th foul.

So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

Terrapins Fan Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 652030)
I hope the evaluator had a dull pencil:eek:


No, we got it pretty good after the game. You wouldn't have wanted to be in the room. you really wouldn't have wanted to be outside of the door.....

Raymond Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 652017)
3 man, Girls Varsity.

Good game to the end of the first half. 31-29. I am the R. We had a very good ( my opinion ) pre game. Evaluator in the stands, we know it.

Visitors take a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter. With 35 seconds left in the game, from the lead, I call a foul on home team #30. Table tells me it is her 5th foul. I go to the coach and tell him, he turns to a player for replacement. I tell the table to start the 20 second clock, I turn to tell #30 that it's her 5th foul, but the sub comes to the table and I beckon the sub into the game. I turn and tell my partner 2 shots.

We shot one shot and the players jump in for the rebound. I blow and say " that was 2 shots" Partner comes to me and says " we already shot this first one, that was the second".....We get it right and go to P.O.I and give it back to home who rebounded the ball.

How bad did we look? Over all, we had a very good game for 31 minutes plus.

I always inform my partner(s) before doing the coach/timer/player sequence. No rush.

representing Fri Jan 15, 2010 01:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 652031)
So, I am near the table because I report the foul and they tell me " that's 5" And I should turn away from the table, go to my partner, tell him, " that's 5 on #30" and have him go to the coach and say " That's 5 coach"?

To me that slows the game down.

It keeps the coaches from retaliating against the 5th-foul-calling official.

mbyron Fri Jan 15, 2010 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 652035)
I always inform my partner(s) before doing the coach/timer/player sequence. No rush.

+1

The official who reports the foul should handle the DQ/sub.

GoodwillRef Fri Jan 15, 2010 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 652034)
No, we got it pretty good after the game. You wouldn't have wanted to be in the room. you really wouldn't have wanted to be outside of the door.....

Live and learn...don't let it happen again...you will pregame the heck of a disqualified players before your next game.

slow whistle Fri Jan 15, 2010 01:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 652026)
3. This is a good secondary reason to have your partner inform the coach that it's the 5th foul.

I know this is the mechanic Snaq, but in reality how practical is this in some cases? You go to the table to report a lot of times the scorer is already looking at you when you get there with the "five" up. Are you walking away from the table to go tell one of your partners (who are either lining up for free throw or inbounds) that you have five fouls, go tell the coach? It seems like most times if I come to the table I end up informing the coach just to keep things moving.


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