T during chseagle's game

[Amesman]

A2 and A3 are not equally eligible to be subs and therefore carry different status.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Amesman

A2 and A3 are not equally eligible to be subs and therefore carry different status.

Disagree. The rule is the same; they are subs. If they come running in from the table without being beckoned, they get the same penalty. I highly doubt the intent of the rules requires us to split this hair.

The case play already posted makes no mention of whether the sub was immediately eligible or not. Personally, I think it's a mistake to pin this on the coach (the OP), but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I think the error is understandable since the official actually heard the coach say "get out there."

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Amesman

A2 and A3 are not equally eligible to be subs and therefore carry different status.

So, I'm to take from this statement, that you would charge the coach with one indirect technical foul in my situation?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

So, I'm to take from this statement, that you would charge the coach with one indirect technical foul in my situation?

My response was basically following up on TTaylor's a few posts before, namely the first sentence below:

"If he's not eligible to re-enter, then he's still bench personnel, not a substitute. That said, I have no problem whether the official chooses to assess a bench technical or substitute technical - justification can be made for either position."

However, I agree with his finish, and Snaq's comment (and, I believe, others') about splitting hairs. Not worth it here.

To the letter of the book, however, one would have to realize A2 and A3 aren't the same, and coach would get the indirect whack. (A2 wouldn't be allowed to shoot technical free throws if his team were awarded any after all, would he? )

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Amesman

To the letter of the book, however, one would have to realize A2 and A3 aren't the same, and coach would get the indirect whack. (A2 wouldn't be allowed to shoot technical free throws if his team were awarded any after all, would he? )

The T isn't for "eligible subs" entering without being beckoned, it's for "subs". I think the "letter of the book" makes them all equal.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The T isn't for "eligible subs" entering without being beckoned, it's for "subs". I think the "letter of the book" makes them all equal.

Or at least the spirit of the book. Agreed.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

the t isn't for "eligible subs" entering without being beckoned, it's for "subs". I think the "letter of the book" makes them all equal.

+1

[RookieDude]

Sorry it took so long to get back with my game report...been pretty busy around here lately.

For starters...good discussion on whether or not to call a bench T and therefore an indirect T on the Coach. When the R first described the event to me...I thought it probably could just be a T on the "sub"...but, as stated, he could sell me the indirect T on the Coach because the Coach told the player to get right back in the game.

I asked the R if he seatbelted the coach...and he stated that he did not. We will have to talk about that over a refreshment sometime.

OK...as far as chseagle is concerned...him and his wife run both the clock and 35 second shot clock.

They did a fine job. There was only one incident of the wrong player being put on the scoreboard for a foul...but, was quickly taken care of with help from the official book. A couple shot clock things but, otherwise went as smooth as could be expected.

These people are very enthusiastic and special. They met the challenges head on...I have no problem with this team at this school.

[CHSLadyEagle]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

OK...as far as chseagle is concerned...him and his wife run both the clock and 35 second shot clock.

They did a fine job. There was only one incident of the wrong player being put on the scoreboard for a foul...but, was quickly taken care of with help from the official book. A couple shot clock things but, otherwise went as smooth as could be expected.

These people are very enthusiastic and special. They met the challenges head on...I have no problem with this team at this school.

When it comes to shot clock, I can't help it if I have a trigger finger, even the Girls' HC (he was my coach when I played, as well as my XC & Track coach) gives me a bad time about it

Thanks, Rookiedude, it was fun to work with you again. Hopefully we'll have more games together.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CHSLadyEagle

When it comes to shot clock, I can't help it if I have a trigger finger.

Welcome to the Forum. Let's get one thing straight right away. Never, and I mean never, ask Mark Padgett what the first rule of officiating is. Never.

Pretty soon we're going to have more table crew members on the Forum than officials. Maybe Jelsoft Enterprises can start a separate Table Crew Forum.

[26 Year Gap]

[QUOTE=BillyMac;653499][QUOTE=CHSLadyEagle;653496]When it comes to shot clock, I can't help it if I have a trigger finger.

Welcome to the Forum. Let's get one thing straight right away. Never, and I mean never, ask Mark Padgett what the first rule of officiating is. Never.

Pretty soon we're going to have more table crew members on the Forum than officials. Maybe Jelsoft Enterprises can start a separate Table Crew Forum.

This was a setup btw.

[chseagle]

Already gave the warning, as she periodically reads the forum with me.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Already gave the warning, as she periodically reads the forum with me.

Maybe she can help keep your wild antics under control.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Maybe she can help keep your wild antics under control.

Unfortunately, it's now a rarity when we work the table together, normally it's one of us in one gym with the other in the other gym, especially with having the Boys' Shot Clock now.

When I did Varsity Scoreboard/Timer the other night, I minded my Ps & Qs. Although I did get a bit of a laugh when the request that the "X" be placed in front of the official scorer was requested & followed through.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Maybe she can help keep your wild antics under control.

Concerning the secondary gym, it's more like I have to keep my dad's wild antics under control as he's been nominated the shot clock operator for the secondary gym.

Also have to keep the scorebooks remaining neutral or focused on their tasks.