Block? Charge? No call?

[Clark Kent]

Had this play in my game the other day......at half time my partner and I talked about the play and differed on opinions, so I thought I'd get a few additional opinions.

YouTube - BlockCharge1 2010_01_14_00_38_14.avi

[Nevadaref]

PC

Not great mechanics by the crew on the double whistle. Notice the T halfway into his block call.
Either that or he's waving off a try that didn't go in.

[biggravy]

Tweet. Offense.

[constable]

i'd say the green dude had legal guarding position- offensive.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

PC

Not great mechanics by the crew on the double whistle. Notice the T halfway into his block call.
Either that or he's waving off a try that didn't go in.

Or the start of a made three........!

[Ignats75]

The angle is bad from the stands. I have a charge as does alot of others...BUT. Can't tell if the defender is bailing out early (flopping) and if the contact is square in the chest (charge) or contact is slight along the defenders right side, while he is bailing (no call).

But initial call is OFFENSE!

[constable]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Had this play in my game the other day......at half time my partner and I talked about the play and differed on opinions, so I thought I'd get a few additional opinions.

YouTube - BlockCharge1 2010_01_14_00_38_14.avi

What did you end up going with? Did you talk about double whistles??

[JRutledge]

PC or nothing. I saw a player fall, but I did not see a lot of contact. Then again the angle was terrible.

Peace

[CMHCoachNRef]

Player Control Foul. Looks like the trail was actually waving off the basket -- likely calling a PC foul. Hard to tell what the lead had. But, since they must have disagreed -- otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it -- the lead must have had a block. The only reason to wave a shot off while still in flight would be for a PC foul. If the lead had a block, well, uh oh.

I can see a double whistle in this situation since the contact was just on the edge of the lane. Some officials pregame "I have the drive all the way to the basket from my side of the floor (similar to C taking it in 3 Man).

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Player Control Foul. Looks like the trail was actually waving off the basket -- likely calling a PC foul. Hard to tell what the lead had. But, since they must have disagreed -- otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it -- the lead must have had a block. The only reason to wave a shot off while still in flight would be for a PC foul. If the lead had a block, well, uh oh.

I can see a double whistle in this situation since the contact was just on the edge of the lane. Some officials pregame "I have the drive all the way to the basket from my side of the floor (similar to C taking it in 3 Man).

He's either getting ready to wave it off and go PC or pound his hips with a block signal. Not sure which.

I've got PC on this. Could see someone going no-call as the defender started backwards and there wasn't a ton of contact, and it appears the shooter may have contacted the defender "off-center" rather than straight on. Contact still appears to be in the torso, however...

Might add: Trail is signaling early when this definitely occurs in L's primary...

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

PC or nothing. I saw a player fall, but I did not see a lot of contact. Then again the angle was terrible.

Peace

I don't see this being a no call...there is a lot of contact and both players hit the floor...either way there has to be a whistle on this play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I don't see this being a no call...there is a lot of contact and both players hit the floor...either way there has to be a whistle on this play.

A player falling over does not mean there is a lot of contact. I looked at the video again and the player's feet are in the same spot when they started. If he got "run over" he would not be in the same place. It looks to me that he leaned back and mostly missed the possibility for contact that it would take to get a foul (from me). But if there is going to be a call, it is only a PC foul. But I believe in this case a no-call is the better call if I had to choose.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

pc or nothing. I saw a player fall, but i did not see a lot of contact. Then again the angle was terrible.

Peace

+1

[IREFU2]

Defender had legal guarding position, contact by the ball handler. Tweet, going the other way!!!!

[representing]

in my honest opinion, it looked like a block. Take a closer look, the player with the ball picked up the dribble and just at that moment you can see the defensive player takes a jump forward. He lost his previous guarding position and I don't think he was in his new guarding position long enough before contact. I would have called a block for sure, but I'd have had to be there for a better answer.