Coach on the court. What is your call?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Don't forget the T for the ugly tie he is probably wearing, too.

The ugly tie actually is grounds for immediate ejection!

[refprof]

left foot on court = 1 Tech
right foot on court = 1 Tech
Catching ball = 1 tech

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The ugly tie actually is grounds for immediate ejection!

You missed the AAU reference. Which was all that was needed to know this was going to be a T. The next AAU coach I see wearing a tie will be the first one. And 10' onto the court probably means the guy was venturing out there further and further and the crew did not want to take care of business. And they still didn't when the situation occurred.

Q: What do you call a guy who has officiated no higher than the JV level after 25 years?
A: That guy.

[CoachCER]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

You missed the AAU reference. Which was all that was needed to know this was going to be a T. The next AAU coach I see wearing a tie will be the first one. And 10' onto the court probably means the guy was venturing out there further and further and the crew did not want to take care of business. And they still didn't when the situation occurred.

Q: What do you call a guy who has officiated no higher than the JV level after 25 years?
A: That guy.

Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

He handled it as well as they handled it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He handled it as well as they handled it.

Agreed. They should have made the call and talked to him about it later. They should have also put baby back into the corner.

[tomegun]

If I was the other coach you would probably have to throw me out.

Think of all the chaos that we would have if we let each coach have the opportunity to catch one pass per game. It would introduce a whole new strategy. Why only go 10 feet onto the court, why not all the way to the other side. Shoot, on a key possession the coach should just get under the hoop and play D.

Ridiculous.

[Texas Aggie]

A coach 10 feet on the court is going to get at least a warning from me (and only one).

A warning? Are you serious?

This is a no-brainer T.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

A warning? Are you serious?

Coach - I'm only going to tell you this once. You can't be 10 feet out on the floor - I simply will not tolerate that. You stay within 8 feet of the sideline or I'm going to have to do something drastic! I mean it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

A warning? Are you serious?

This is a no-brainer T.

Note I said "at least." I say that because I'm averse to the term "automatic."

If he's requesting a timeout and he's completely out of the play, I'll give him one warning. That's the only thing I can come up with that might mitigate the call, though.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

Well it's another good lesson for me ; what not to do !

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If he's requesting a timeout and he's completely out of the play, I'll give him one warning. That's the only thing I can come up with that might mitigate the call, though.

Unfortunately, too many people hold this opinion. They seem to believe that it is okay for the coach to run out onto the court to request a time-out. I'm not in the camp which excuses that.

The coaches need to understand that they have to communicate their request from within the confines of the coaching box. Perhaps they could learn to have their players echo the request.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

You would think so, wouldn't you? I brought this up because of the advantage/disadvantage discussion I read and how it related to violations.

The ball was awarded to Team B on the sideline. The explanation given was that "A1 was going to throw the ball away anyway, so Team B did not gain an advantage by the coach being on the court. A1 should have realized he was not passing to a teammate. If Coach B was between A1 and a teammate, I would call a technical on him."

Awarded to Team B? Yeah that's the kind of bizzare, twisted, unjustified by a rule book, self will imposed ruling, that creates howler monkeys out of otherwise well behaved coaches. Not that monkeys howling is ever justified, just to point out this is how you create one out of nothing.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CoachCER

14U boys AAU tournament in the 1st half. Team B is applying a full court press on Team A. Team B traps A1 on the sideline in the backcourt. A1 steps through the trap, and fires a pass downcourt that is caught...by Team B's coach, who is standing about 10' on the court (he is inside the 3-point line).
Call?

See ya!

[CoachCER]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

Awarded to Team B? Yeah that's the kind of bizzare, twisted, unjustified by a rule book, self will imposed ruling, that creates howler monkeys out of otherwise well behaved coaches. Not that monkeys howling is ever justified, just to point out this is how you create one out of nothing.

I have coached over 700 games at different levels, and have around 7 total technicals. That was one of them. And I would do it again. I.just.could.not.accept.that.logic.