start of game jump ball

[Upward ref]

Tonight at a holiday tournament ,the opening jump was touched by A1 and hit the floor outside of the circle. since no other teammates were around on that side , A 1 grabs the ball and starts a dribble. then came a slightly delayed whistle and ball goes to B1 for a throw in. immediately pulled out my trusty nfhs rule book (6-3-6,7,8)to read that : the jump ball and restrictions end when the touched ball contacts one of the 8 non jumpers, an official, the floor etc... I didn't see a violation so before start of 2nd half i illegally entered the confines of the court at the division line across from the table and asked (who i assumed to be the umpire ?) why the throw in after what I thought was a legal jump? the ref politely told me thats the way he's taught it for 20 years ,had talked it over with his crew at half time and it was a good call since A1 still had 1 foot in/touching the restraining circle. fair enough , but i can't find that one anywhere in the book. Good call ? (the ref also advised me that if this game was in Nevada I could be escorted off the court and then summarily horse whipped !) Glad I am in good ol' Virginia!

[Adam]

Bad call, he's got the rule wrong. You'd think if they talked about it at half time they'd have actually looked up the rule.

I actually had an IW this year in a game when I started to make this very call. Both jumpers tapped it on their second swipe, it went down, and A1 grabbed it after the bounce. I hit my whistle and immediately knew I'd screwed up, declared an IW, and gave the ball to A at the division line and flipped the arrow to B.

I hope he at least gave the arrow to A on this, but I'm doubtful since 20 years ago that wouldn't have been the proper ruling.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I didn't see a violation so before start of 2nd half i illegally entered the confines of the court at the division line across from the table and asked (who i assumed to be the umpire ?) why the throw in after what I thought was a legal jump?

Question 1: Were you a coach, a fellow official, or a fan at this game?
Question 2: Why is entering the confines of the court at the division line across from the table at halftime illegal?
Question 3: Why ask one you assume to be the umpire? Wouldn't it have been better to direct your polite inquiry to the referee?
Question 4: Did I understand your post correctly?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Question 3: Why ask one you assume to be the umpire? Wouldn't it have been better to direct your polite inquiry to the referee?

Because the U is the one who made that call.

[grunewar]

Two-man. I was R but let my partner administer the jump (good practice for him).

Ball goes up nicely, flailing arms, and nuthin. Ball hits the floor untouched.

TWEET!

"Ok boys let's do it again."

I peeked at the clock and was pleasantly surprised that no time had run off either!

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Question 1: Were you a coach, a fellow official, or a fan at this game?
Question 2: Why is entering the confines of the court at the division line across from the table at halftime illegal?
Question 3: Why ask one you assume to be the umpire? Wouldn't it have been better to direct your polite inquiry to the referee?
Question 4: Did I understand your post correctly?

1.) A fan observing officials to learn nfhs rules.
2.) Please reference previous posts concerning fans/ parents etc coming onto the court without being beckoned, and the very strong opinions expressed.
3.) due to my limited experience as a rec league ref, and what I thought was correct at the time ; he appeared to be the umpire or lead official by his center positioning ,he administered the jump , during pregame took the center position,and seemed to go to both sides to shake hands and encourage the other 2 ref's before recieving the game ball to begin. now ,after studying 2-3,4,and 5, I realize i've got it backwards and actually mean the refferee and not the 2 umpires . But I did speak to the right guy and actually addressed him as " yo , ref " .
4) I think so ?

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bad call, he's got the rule wrong. You'd think if they talked about it at half time they'd have actually looked up the rule.

I actually had an IW this year in a game when I started to make this very call. Both jumpers tapped it on their second swipe, it went down, and A1 grabbed it after the bounce. I hit my whistle and immediately knew I'd screwed up, declared an IW, and gave the ball to A at the division line and flipped the arrow to B.

I hope he at least gave the arrow to A on this, but I'm doubtful since 20 years ago that wouldn't have been the proper ruling.

IW , Inadvertant Whistle ?
I'm pretty sure the arrow went to B as soon as the throw in ended,that also puzzled me for a second . IMO, jumper A1 was already penalized and lost the ball, and now the arrow went to B as well .
Looking at rule 6 sec. 3 I dont see anything re: touching the restraining circle and grabbing the ball . Is that why it is legal ?
Oh well, reckon I'll study 6-4 , AP arrow now !

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Last edited by Freddy; Yesterday at 11:28pm. Reason: to tick off BillyMac

Good one.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I peeked at the clock and was pleasantly surprised that no time had run off either!

Was the timer chseagle?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

Tonight at a holiday tournament ,the opening jump was touched by A1 and hit the floor outside of the circle. since no other teammates were around on that side , A 1 grabs the ball and starts a dribble. then came a slightly delayed whistle and ball goes to B1 for a throw in. immediately pulled out my trusty nfhs rule book (6-3-6,7,8)to read that : the jump ball and restrictions end when the touched ball contacts one of the 8 non jumpers, an official, the floor etc... I didn't see a violation so before start of 2nd half i illegally entered the confines of the court at the division line across from the table and asked (who i assumed to be the umpire ?) why the throw in after what I thought was a legal jump? the ref politely told me thats the way he's taught it for 20 years ,had talked it over with his crew at half time and it was a good call since A1 still had 1 foot in/touching the restraining circle. fair enough , but i can't find that one anywhere in the book. Good call ? (the ref also advised me that if this game was in Nevada I could be escorted off the court and then summarily horse whipped !) Glad I am in good ol' Virginia!

Could it be he was referring to our own..................naaaa.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Was the timer chseagle?

I would say probably not......because this particular timer was STILL at the table at the end of the game!