Shot clock in HS Hoops

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your POV, we have no say in the matter of who the schools provide to staff the table. The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do. But too often the table staff is an after thought. So we give them the 2 minute training, and we watch them as closely as we can and fix as many of their mistakes as we can. C'est la vie

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your POV, we have no say in the matter of who the schools provide to staff the table. The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do. But too often the table staff is an after thought. So we give them the 2 minute training, and we watch them as closely as we can and fix as many of their mistakes as we can. C'est la vie

Very true about the fact that the officials really have no say who's table personnel, since this is up to the game management.

It's cause of the one comment of loving to have a staff that's experienced that I'm trying to get the rules/regulations down even those having nothing to do with the table.

[Back In The Saddle]

I, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by back in the saddle

i, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

+1

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

I'm only guilty of being an off-the-floor official when watching a game on TV. The only rules that I pay close attention to at the table is of course those that have to deal with what I'm doing at the table, except for the periodic uniform or safety concerns.

I'll leave the full unsolicited "help" to the coaches LMAO

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I'm only guilty of being an off-the-floor official when watching a game on TV. The only rules that I pay close attention to at the table is of course those that have to deal with what I'm doing at the table, except for the periodic uniform or safety concerns.

I'll leave the full unsolicited "help" to the coaches LMAO

This is what we're talking about.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is what we're talking about.

It's not something that happens every game. I'm doing more out of sight, out of mind when it comes to this, the last time I did anything like this was last year.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is what we're talking about.

Exactly. The table crew needs to stick to their responsibilities under 2-11 and 2-12 and let the game officials deal with what they are responsible for. I'm far more impressed with someone that shows up on time and does their job conscientiously and consistently, as opposed to those who for some reason (ego?; self-importance?) try to impress people with how much they think they know, especially when the reality is they really don't know as much as they think they do and understand far less. Don't get me wrong, I encourage and applaud anyone that wants to become a student of the game to expand their knowledge and understanding of basketball - just use it appropriately.

Sometimes I think people forget that the game isn't about the coaches, the officials, the table crew or the fans - it's about the players.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by timtaylor

sometimes i think people forget that the game isn't about the coaches, the officials, the table crew or the fans - it's about the players.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Exactly. The table crew needs to stick to their responsibilities under 2-11 and 2-12 and let the game officials deal with what they are responsible for. I'm far more impressed with someone that shows up on time and does their job conscientiously and consistently, as opposed to those who for some reason (ego?; self-importance?) try to impress people with how much they think they know, especially when the reality is they really don't know as much as they think they do and understand far less. Don't get me wrong, I encourage and applaud anyone that wants to become a student of the game to expand their knowledge and understanding of basketball - just use it appropriately.

Sometimes I think people forget that the game isn't about the coaches, the officials, the table crew or the fans - it's about the players.

Table crews that try to dictate to the officials drive me crazy -- substitutes after I've beckoned them, for example. I'll catch the occasional sub walking towards the X and I'll whistle them in (during FT administration, normally). During a game earlier this season, I had a timer try to tell the subs *after* I beckoned them in that they had to go down to the X and report.

I then asked the home book if they had any problems getting the subs. Guy said no. I turned to the timer and said, "then when I say they're in, they're in."

Keeping the clock is a hard job. It was for me the 2-3 times I've done it. Do your job, I'll do mine.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do.

Amen!

We have one school with a similar staff. Been doing it forever! As we go by the table between quarters the clock operator looks you dead in the eye and says - "Ref, white ball coming out. Switching the arrow now!"

They also have a great, polite management staff to open the locker rooms, escort you, provide water - a real treat! Squared away!!

As someone who works a great many levels of games, it's so refreshing and appreciative to have an excellent table crew!

My favorite comment from an experienced table...... I did a Girls 7th grade game a ways back. Bad is an understatement! At the end of the first quarter the score was 0-0. The only mark on the scoreboard was the 1 for the period! No fouls, nuttin!

I walked over to the table between periods and the book person looked at me and said......."I've been doing this for 25 yrs......and that's six minutes of my life I'll never get back!"