Shot clock in HS Hoops

[Back In The Saddle]

It's because it's so difficult to pry the darn cell phone out of your average teenager's hands so they have the necessary appendages free with which to operate the clock or keep the scorebook.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

It's because it's so difficult to pry the darn cell phone out of your average teenager's hands so they have the necessary appendages free with which to operate the clock or keep the scorebook.

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

California is one of the states which employs the Shot Clock in all levels of basketball.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

California is one of the states which employs the Shot Clock in all levels of basketball.

When I read the numbers of states that do use the shot clock it kinda surprised me.

Speaking of invitational tournaments like the T-Mobile National Invitational or the City of Palms Tournament, where teams from mulitple states are involved, what rules are used, the state association's or NFHS/Fed?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your POV, we have no say in the matter of who the schools provide to staff the table. The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do. But too often the table staff is an after thought. So we give them the 2 minute training, and we watch them as closely as we can and fix as many of their mistakes as we can. C'est la vie

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your POV, we have no say in the matter of who the schools provide to staff the table. The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do. But too often the table staff is an after thought. So we give them the 2 minute training, and we watch them as closely as we can and fix as many of their mistakes as we can. C'est la vie

Very true about the fact that the officials really have no say who's table personnel, since this is up to the game management.

It's cause of the one comment of loving to have a staff that's experienced that I'm trying to get the rules/regulations down even those having nothing to do with the table.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

It's a volunteer job 99% of the time, so you get what you get.

[Back In The Saddle]

I, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's a volunteer job 99% of the time, so you get what you get.

You get what you get and you don't throw a fit.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by back in the saddle

i, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

+1

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

I'm only guilty of being an off-the-floor official when watching a game on TV. The only rules that I pay close attention to at the table is of course those that have to deal with what I'm doing at the table, except for the periodic uniform or safety concerns.

I'll leave the full unsolicited "help" to the coaches LMAO

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I'm only guilty of being an off-the-floor official when watching a game on TV. The only rules that I pay close attention to at the table is of course those that have to deal with what I'm doing at the table, except for the periodic uniform or safety concerns.

I'll leave the full unsolicited "help" to the coaches LMAO

This is what we're talking about.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is what we're talking about.

It's not something that happens every game. I'm doing more out of sight, out of mind when it comes to this, the last time I did anything like this was last year.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's consistent with the NCAA-W and NCAA-M rules, with regard to the BC count.........

Exactly!

Personally, it makes no difference to me whether a shot clock is adopted or not.

Me either. Unlike our neighbors to the north, Oregon does not use a shot clock during the regular HS season. For the End of the Trail tournament in July in Oregon City, they do use NCAA-W rules, including the 30 sec shot clock.

And yes, good table people are hard to find.

Sad but true. It would be nice if more people would get involved.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do.

Amen!

We have one school with a similar staff. Been doing it forever! As we go by the table between quarters the clock operator looks you dead in the eye and says - "Ref, white ball coming out. Switching the arrow now!"

They also have a great, polite management staff to open the locker rooms, escort you, provide water - a real treat! Squared away!!

As someone who works a great many levels of games, it's so refreshing and appreciative to have an excellent table crew!

My favorite comment from an experienced table...... I did a Girls 7th grade game a ways back. Bad is an understatement! At the end of the first quarter the score was 0-0. The only mark on the scoreboard was the 1 for the period! No fouls, nuttin!

I walked over to the table between periods and the book person looked at me and said......."I've been doing this for 25 yrs......and that's six minutes of my life I'll never get back!"