Shot clock in HS Hoops

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The only thing to me that doesn't make much sense is that the girls don't have the 10-sec. BC count with the 30-sec. shot clock, yet the boys still have the 10-sec. BC count with the 35-sec. shot clock.

That's consistent with the NCAA-W and NCAA-M rules, with regard to the BC count.

Speaking of the 10-sec. BC count, watching the Girls' games at the 2009 T-Mobile Invitational national high school basketball tournament, since neither the girls or boys here use the shot clock, the girls had the 10-sec. BC count, as well as the boys.

Consistent with NFHS rules.

Personally, it makes no difference to me whether a shot clock is adopted or not.

And yes, good table people are hard to find.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And yes, good table people are hard to find.

Could that be because of not wanting to take the time to learn everything having to do with the table, or is it cause of the fact everyone would rather be a spectator?

[Back In The Saddle]

It's because it's so difficult to pry the darn cell phone out of your average teenager's hands so they have the necessary appendages free with which to operate the clock or keep the scorebook.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

It's because it's so difficult to pry the darn cell phone out of your average teenager's hands so they have the necessary appendages free with which to operate the clock or keep the scorebook.

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

California is one of the states which employs the Shot Clock in all levels of basketball.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

California is one of the states which employs the Shot Clock in all levels of basketball.

When I read the numbers of states that do use the shot clock it kinda surprised me.

Speaking of invitational tournaments like the T-Mobile National Invitational or the City of Palms Tournament, where teams from mulitple states are involved, what rules are used, the state association's or NFHS/Fed?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your POV, we have no say in the matter of who the schools provide to staff the table. The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do. But too often the table staff is an after thought. So we give them the 2 minute training, and we watch them as closely as we can and fix as many of their mistakes as we can. C'est la vie

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your POV, we have no say in the matter of who the schools provide to staff the table. The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do. But too often the table staff is an after thought. So we give them the 2 minute training, and we watch them as closely as we can and fix as many of their mistakes as we can. C'est la vie

Very true about the fact that the officials really have no say who's table personnel, since this is up to the game management.

It's cause of the one comment of loving to have a staff that's experienced that I'm trying to get the rules/regulations down even those having nothing to do with the table.

[Back In The Saddle]

I, for one, encourage you to continue studying and learning all you can about the rules of the game. However, be mindful of the boundaries of your duties while working the table. Just because you understand the rules does not mean that unsolicited "help" is helpful or welcome.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The table at my games tonight were staffed by the principal and his secretary, who have been running the clock and book respectively for about 25 years. I'd love to have a staff like that at every game I do.

Amen!

We have one school with a similar staff. Been doing it forever! As we go by the table between quarters the clock operator looks you dead in the eye and says - "Ref, white ball coming out. Switching the arrow now!"

They also have a great, polite management staff to open the locker rooms, escort you, provide water - a real treat! Squared away!!

As someone who works a great many levels of games, it's so refreshing and appreciative to have an excellent table crew!

My favorite comment from an experienced table...... I did a Girls 7th grade game a ways back. Bad is an understatement! At the end of the first quarter the score was 0-0. The only mark on the scoreboard was the 1 for the period! No fouls, nuttin!

I walked over to the table between periods and the book person looked at me and said......."I've been doing this for 25 yrs......and that's six minutes of my life I'll never get back!"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Cell phone, PDA, Handheld Gaming Device, Portable DVD players...Are these all culprits?

Why just get the teenagers involved, get some parents involved as well or other adults.

Besides the aforementioned devices, the other problem with teenagers is that their friends want to be with them.

It's a volunteer job 99% of the time, so you get what you get.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's a volunteer job 99% of the time, so you get what you get.

You get what you get and you don't throw a fit.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's a volunteer job 99% of the time, so you get what you get.

Really? Here, it's a paid position (usually, teachers eraning overtime). I've heard that they earn more than the officials on the game.

At the local JuCos, they are paid, but the pay is small.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? Here, it's a paid position (usually, teachers eraning overtime). I've heard that they earn more than the officials on the game.

At the local JuCos, they are paid, but the pay is small.

Same here. All paid. Most make more than us if they work the JV and V games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? Here, it's a paid position (usually, teachers eraning overtime). I've heard that they earn more than the officials on the game.

At the local JuCos, they are paid, but the pay is small.

Again, Snaqwells spouts off from his limited experience. I should find out if the table crews get paid here.