10 second FT violation

[bas2456]

Has anyone ever called this?

I was told by a clinician to count slowly...

What's your take on this?

[Adam]

My take? Count slowly.
I wouldn't call it unless my slow count got to 13 or 15 and the shooter is still d1cking around.

The rule is there to prevent a team from using FTs as timeouts. A couple extra seconds really isn't an advantage. If you have a player getting close, you could take a second after the free throw to remind him he only has 10 seconds to shoot.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you have a player getting close, you could take a second after the free throw to remind him he only has 10 seconds to shoot.

That's the other thing the clinician suggested. I agree with what you said Snaq

[representing]

Usually in my games the FT shooters release the ball within 5 seconds. I will get the occasional superstitious shooters that goes through the same, long routine with a series of dribbles, tosses, etc. before shooting, but never had anyone reach 10 seconds on my slow count.

[APG]

I've never called it myself. Closest I've gotten to was an 8 count. Follow what your clinician said and count slowly.

[BktBallRef]

I rarely count. If a player appears to be taking a long time, I'll count and have never gotten to 10 but once. on the next FT, the kid took 12 seconds and I called it. The coach's response? "I told you somebody wasn't going to call it eventually."

I don't agree that the rule is to prevent a TO during a FT. The rule exists because there has to be a time frame. If there was no time limit, theoretically, a shooter could stand there forever and there's nothing we could do about it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

Usually in my games the FT shooters release the ball within 5 seconds. I will get the occasional superstitious shooters that goes through the same, long routine with a series of dribbles, tosses, etc. before shooting and missing, but never had anyone reach 10 seconds on my slow count.

Fixed it for you.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fixed it for you.

haha, thanks

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by representing

I will get the occasional superstitious shooters that goes through the same, long routine with a series of dribbles, tosses, etc., before shooting.

I had this, probably the longest routine I've seen in my twenty-nine years of officiating, last weekend. A sixth grader, in a Catholic school game, actually went through three different routines on each shot; a few one handed dribbles, a few two handed dribbles, and the spin and bounce the ball long toss so it comes back to you dribble. With a big breath before, a pause between each segment, and a big breath before the free throw. Had to be about twelve seconds, or so. I was the lead for all of his shots, so I didn't have a count.

I've gotten up to twelve a few times, never higher, and never called it.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My take? Count slowly.
A couple extra seconds really isn't an advantage. If you have a player getting close, you could take a second after the free throw to remind him he only has 10 seconds to shoot.

I did not think you apply "Advantage/Disadvantage" for violations.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I did not think you apply "Advantage/Disadvantage" for violations.

When in Rome, my friend. Let me say this; there are a few violations that, if applied strictly by rule, will lead to long and distinguished JV careers.

1. 10 second free throw
2. 3 seconds
3. palming
4. multiple fouls

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

When in Rome, my friend. Let me say this; there are a few violations that, if applied strictly by rule, will lead to long and distinguished JV careers.

1. 10 second free throw
2. 3 seconds
3. palming
4. multiple fouls

I don't agree with #3. Locally, if you don't call palming, you will stay at the JV level.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I don't agree with #3. Locally, if you don't call palming, you will stay at the JV level.

I would prefer it that way.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

When in Rome, my friend. Let me say this; there are a few violations that, if applied strictly by rule, will lead to long and distinguished JV careers.

1. 10 second free throw
2. 3 seconds
3. palming
4. multiple fouls

Perhaps that is why the NFHS has made each of these POEs in the past two couple of years. There are too many officials out there who have the mindset which you espouse here that making these calls is outside of the norm. It appears that the NFHS desires to change that culture.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps that is why the NFHS has made each of these POEs in the past two couple of years. There are too many officials out there who have the mindset which you espouse here that making these calls is outside of the norm. It appears that the NFHS desires to change that culture.

Let me ask you this, Nevada. How many 3 second calls do you make per game? Or how many per season?

You may well be right, but as Rut is fond of saying, I don't work for the NFHS. If I start making the call when 55 has his foot on the lane line out of play, I'll be doing freshman ball. If I don't learn then, I'll be working middle school ball.

As for palming, I agree. Again, however, I don't work for the NFHS, I work for my association.