T Up a Fan?!?

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Smitty

When a player is injured, it's best to get far away from the player. Hard to stop a concerned parent from coming to the aid of their child. Let the AD and coach deal with it. Get as far away as you can while keeping an eye on the other players. If the parent is making a scene, find the AD and have them deal with the parent. Nothing good can come of this.

As soon as the parent opens their mouth at me, its bye-bye. They want to come on the floor to assess their child's injury in a CYO/Rec/AAU/summer league game I can understand their concern. As soon as they open their mouth to berate the officials, they are taking advantage of the situation and I will ask GM to remove them. If its an OHSAA sanctioned event, they have no business on the floor until the coach beckons them because its a dire injury. SO its bye-bye automatically. The coach might appreciate it in that situation anyway, as they are probably an intrusive parent.

[Nevadaref]

No one other than bench personnel or the medical trainer is ever allowed to come onto the court during a game. PERIOD.
If random people come out without being granted permission, then they need to be removed from the facility.

Now the part with which many here will disagree. Over the past few years, I have become convinced that if the behavior of a spectator at a HS game is poor enough to warrant an ejection, then a team technical foul should also be assessed, and that can be supported per 2-8-1.

I firmly believe that if the team/coach can't control their fans/followers, then they should be penalized.

[Adam]

I'm with Nevada on this one, and sometimes at lower level rec games with two-bit game management, it's your only real enforcement mechanism. Now, in a HS game, varsity especially, GM had better remove this parent from the facility. As soon as that fan comes to the floor, if his first move isn't back to the stands (after realizing his mistake), I'm heading to the table to inform them I need to speak with GM NOW.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No one other than bench personnel or the medical trainer is ever allowed to come onto the court during a game. PERIOD.
If random people come out without being granted permission, then they need to be removed from the facility.

Now the part with which many here will disagree. Over the past few years, I have become convinced that if the behavior of a spectator at a HS game is poor enough to warrant an ejection, then a team technical foul should also be assessed, and that can be supported per 2-8-1:Penalize unsporting conduct by any player, coach, substitute, team attendant or follower.

I firmly believe that if the team/coach can't control their fans/followers, then they should be penalized.

Is what I have in bold sound about right for the rule in question?

If I remember right, under rule 2-8-1, there's a note that states:
"The home management or game committee is responsible for spectator behavior, insofar as it can reasonably be expected to control the spectators. The officials may call fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game. Discretion must be used in calling such fouls, however, lest a team be unjustly penalized. When team supporters become unruly or interfere with the orderly progress of the game, the officials shall stop the game until the host management resolves the situation and the game can proceed in an orderly manner. In the absence of
a designated school representative, the home coach shall serve as the host management."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Is what I have in bold sound about right for the rule in question?

If I remember right, under rule 2-8-1, there's a note that states:
"The home management or game committee is responsible for spectator behavior, insofar as it can reasonably be expected to control the spectators. The officials may call fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game. Discretion must be used in calling such fouls, however, lest a team be unjustly penalized. When team supporters become unruly or interfere with the orderly progress of the game, the officials shall stop the game until the host management resolves the situation and the game can proceed in an orderly manner. In the absence of
a designated school representative, the home coach shall serve as the host management."

You did all of that from memory? WOW!

I believe that Billy Mac would like to speak to you about what supplements you are taking.

(Yes, those are the correct rules citations.)

[just another ref]

When the baby, regardless of age, falls hard and doesn't get up, some parents are not going to ask anybody's permission before checking on him/her.
I, personally, can't see myself taking any action against this parent if that's all he/she was doing.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the baby, regardless of age, falls hard and doesn't get up, some parents are not going to ask anybody's permission before checking on him/her.
I, personally, can't see myself taking any action against this parent if that's all he/she was doing.

That's any parent's reaction when their child gets hurt, no matter the age.

However, from my understanding, the only ones allowed on the floor during an injury timeout are supposed to be the coach & medical personnel (perhaps the parent coming on the floor was an EMT or nurse).

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

However, from my understanding, the only ones allowed on the floor during an injury timeout are supposed to be the coach & medical personnel (perhaps the parent coming on the floor was an EMT or nurse).

Perhaps, and perhaps he was a street car conductor or a fry cook. (Billy Mac will explain later)

Where does this information come from?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No one other than bench personnel or the medical trainer is ever allowed to come onto the court during a game. PERIOD.
If random people come out without being granted permission, then they need to be removed from the facility.


I firmly believe that if the team/coach can't control their fans/followers, then they should be penalized.

Originally Posted by 2-8-1

The officials shall penalize unsporting conduct by any.........follower.

Note:
"The home management or game committee is responsible for spectator behavior, insofar as it can reasonably be expected to control the spectators. The officials may call fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game. Discretion must be used in calling such fouls, however, lest a team be unjustly penalized. When team supporters become unruly or interfere with the orderly progress of the game, the officials shall stop the game until the host management resolves the situation and the game can proceed in an orderly manner. In the absence of
a designated school representative, the home coach shall serve as the host management."

So you consider when a mom steps out to hold her daughter's hand while she is assisted from the court after tearing her ACL to be unsporting conduct?

Doesn't sound very discreet to me.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So you consider when a mom steps out to hold her daughter's hand while she is assisted from the court after tearing her ACL to be unsporting conduct?

Doesn't sound very discreet to me.

What if a member of Game Management escorted the parent out onto the court to maintain some order?

Basically this is a catch-22 as that if the parent is only going out to comfort their child isn't viewed as unsporting behavior. However if that parent is going out to complain to the floor officials that their child was fouled & arguing the call it is considered unsporting behavior.

I can see if game management announced overhead that no one go onto the court except for the coach &/or medical personnel, but how often do announcements like that happen?

Again, this comes down to how game management should handle things as well as the floor officials.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So you consider when a mom steps out to hold her daughter's hand while she is assisted from the court after tearing her ACL to be unsporting conduct?

Doesn't sound very discreet to me.

If a player tears her ACL, she isn't going to be remaining in the gym anyway.

The general principle is that the playing area, no matter what the sport, is off limits to spectators. Only the game participants, officials, coaches, and medical personnel are to be there. Anyone else who violates this perimeter earns an ejection. That area must be inviolable.

This is the only policy which makes sense in order to ensure the safety of those involved with the contest.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

My only objection here is to the ridiculous notion that by signing a medical waiver I am somehow prohibited from being directly involved in caring for my injured child.

You can be involved as long as you remain outside of the playing area. You can be consulted by those who are present to provide such care.

In the event that the injury is deemed serious, it makes sense to have your participation, but you aren't sticking around for the rest of the contest if you elect to enter the playing area and I am one of the officials.

I can't imagine that you would want to anyway, for if the injury is truly that serious, you would be accompanying your young one to another location for further medical treatment.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You can be involved as long as you remain outside of the playing area. You can be consulted by those who are present to provide such care.

In the event that the injury is deemed serious, it makes sense to have your participation, but you aren't sticking around for the rest of the contest if you elect to enter the playing area and I am one of the officials.

And on top of this, you would call a team technical?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And on top of this, you would call a team technical?

If the person came out without the permission of game management--absolutely.