First Time Ever

[chartrusepengui]

If the teams were both present it would have been easy. Even if one team was not present but in locker room it would have been easier to deal with. But - no one knew where they were and from what we gathered - they had gotten into an area where no one was supposed to be.

If we handled it wrong - we did. Can't change that but will be looking and re-reading. It's these weird things that happen that can throw you. On the positive side - it didn't affect the outcome of the game and I know that even this idiot coach won't be late getting back again.

I still don't understand why you would give an "extra" minute in this situation but when the team is present but not on floor you are supposed to start without them. Doesn't make sense - but then I guess it doesn't have to.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

If the teams were both present it would have been easy. Even if one team was not present but in locker room it would have been easier to deal with. But - no one knew where they were and from what we gathered - they had gotten into an area where no one was supposed to be.

If we handled it wrong - we did. Can't change that but will be looking and re-reading. It's these weird things that happen that can throw you. On the positive side - it didn't affect the outcome of the game and I know that even this idiot coach won't be late getting back again.

I still don't understand why you would give an "extra" minute in this situation but when the team is present but not on floor you are supposed to start without them. Doesn't make sense - but then I guess it doesn't have to.

Well, because you do. It's a different situation.

I had a team come out with 15 seconds on the clock in a varsity game a few weeks ago. It was the home team. I was just mentally recalling the procedure when the team showed up. They went right to the huddle and were ready on time.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Well, because you do. It's a different situation.

I had a team come out with 15 seconds on the clock in a varsity game a few weeks ago. It was the home team. I was just mentally recalling the procedure when the team showed up. They went right to the huddle and were ready on time.

Part of our problem was we weren't mentally recalling the procedure/rules. Everyone was intent on trying to find where in the heck the team was. Somehow they got into a part of the school that was supposed to be locked down and were in - of all places - a womens restroom. We guessed later that perhaps they went in there because it was the first unlocked door they came to.

Next time something like this comes up - I will be doing what you were doing - recalling the procedures etc instead of worrying about other things. My bad! I hope it was just the chaos of this time of year and not me beginning to lose it.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Part of our problem was we weren't mentally recalling the procedure/rules. Everyone was intent on trying to find where in the heck the team was. Somehow they got into a part of the school that was supposed to be locked down and were in - of all places - a womens restroom. We guessed later that perhaps they went in there because it was the first unlocked door they came to.

Next time something like this comes up - I will be doing what you were doing - recalling the procedures etc instead of worrying about other things. My bad! I hope it was just the chaos of this time of year and not me beginning to lose it.

I believe that this is a game management issue -- I DON'T MEAN OFFICIALS game management. Teams should be told when they arrive (visitors AND the referee team) where they can change/meet before the game, during the game and after the game. They should be led there. Otherwise, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the timer to meet his requirement of giving the teams a warning about timing and the start of a second half.

[Raymond]

(BV) Last night the team didn't come out until the 1:00 minute mark. They were ready to play at 0:00 with players on the court and team members on the bench, but no coaches in sight.

Continue w/o coaches or wait?

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

(BV) Last night the team didn't come out until the 1:00 minute mark. They were ready to play at 0:00 with players on the court and team members on the bench, but no coaches in sight.

Continue w/o coaches or wait?

You know you need an adult on the sidelines. I think a T if you had to wait more than a minute.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

(BV) Last night the team didn't come out until the 1:00 minute mark. They were ready to play at 0:00 with players on the court and team members on the bench, but no coaches in sight.

Continue w/o coaches or wait?

Originally Posted by Indianaref

You know you need an adult on the sidelines. I think a T if you had to wait more than a minute.

I waited and the HC showed up about within seconds.

(No rule book handy) Have a rules citation for administering a 'T' in this situation?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I waited and the HC showed up about within seconds.

(No rule book handy) Have a rules citation for administering a 'T' in this situation?

Would be the same rule as above regarding an actionless contact at the start of either half. 10-1-5 a.

That said, I haven't found anywhere in the rulebook that actually says a coach is necessary. Common sense says that in a high school contest, adult supervision is necessary. But I don't have a rule reference for that...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Would be the same rule as above regarding an actionless contact at the start of either half. 10-1-5 a.

That said, I haven't found anywhere in the rulebook that actually says a coach is necessary. Common sense says that in a high school contest, adult supervision is necessary. But I don't have a rule reference for that...

This is a state issue, IMO. Virtually every state I know of requires a coach (different states have different requirements for who can take this role) in order for the game to proceed; that's why we forfeit a game if all the coaches get DQd.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is a state issue, IMO. Virtually every state I know of requires a coach (different states have different requirements for who can take this role) in order for the game to proceed; that's why we forfeit a game if all the coaches get DQd.

Agreed. I just hadn't thought of it from a rules book perspective, but there is no requirement I've found that a team have a coach at all...