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Helping out fellow official working youth tournament (6th grade girls). Coach complaining to my partner off and on all first half,,, hasn't said anything to me. Starting second half coach is in my partner's ear again and my partner asks " please get back in your coach's box " and the response is a loud "NO I won't ". My partner (first year official ) hesitates ............. looks at me (I'm giving the nod to get him) and he finally gives him the T. My question is ... If he passed on this I was going to give the T ....... Would I have been out of line ?
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I think you handled it right. Coming in like the rookie's big brother would just impair his development and probably hurt his reputation. Congrats. You handled it right. If he passes on a T there, I would talk to him at the next time out that under anyone's rules, that "howler monkey" needed to be whacked.
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Did you talk about it at half-time?
That would have been a good opportunity to chat about what needed to be done if it occurred the second half.
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I had a Sr. V official tell me I should have "whacked" a player the other night. He was right. I try to avoid them, but in this case, I shouldn't have. Live and learn.
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Coach has already shown he doesn't respect your partner, so it's time to force the behavior to change. If I have to take care of the benches myself so my partner can focus on the court, no biggie.
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I agree with Snaq.
I would've made my way over in the first half and asked the coach to back off the rookie. Let him know that was enough. Talk about it at half time letting the rook know that it is okay to sit the coach down. If he doesn't then it is your turn. |
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I'm not sure I would have told him to back off (I'm assuming you wouldn't use the word "rookie" when talking to the coach) my partner. If he's not doing anything directly T-worthy, I'll let my partner make his own decisions. The final situation in the OP, however, begs for a T and it needs to be called.
By not calling it, the partner would have established himself as unsure and easily controlled. Coming in to get it prevents that, IMO.
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We did talk at half about the coach's behavior. He said that it wasn't really "T" worthy but was getting worse.
I told him that he could handle it howerver he felt necessary or as I had the previous game.... Coach was complaining in first quarter of game, I had warned the coach (calmly and professionally that anymore comments on the officiating and he would be T'd up)...... coach settled down and coached his kids to a win. At halftime of that game I discussed with this partner exactly the conversation and how I handled it so he might have it as a future reference. After this game he said that he was "handling" it by first asking him to get back in coach's box but then it went downhill from there. Thanks for the feedback Refk |
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It sounds he was handling it nicely by asking the coach to help him out and get back in the coaching box. However, when he said "NO I won't", then he was trying to show up your partner and he crossed the line. In the end, sounds like something was learned from the situation. +1 for whacking a coach who was out of line. |
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A, B, C! It's easy as 1, 2, 3, as simple as do, re, mi (Jackson Five) ...
No it wasn't. It was as easy as pie. It was so easy that I gave out a lot more. Of course, back then, new officials were often assigned boys recreation games, or mens league games, and you all know what those games can be like. The technical foul may have been my most frequent call.
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I would ask him if he felt that the coach's comments to him during the first half were beneficial to the game, and if he enjoyed being constantly harped on. Then I would inform him that this will not only continue, but will get worse until he decides to do something about it. Obviously, he doesn't have to T right away. There are other techniques which an official can use to control the behavior of a coach and knowing that there are middle-of-the-road actions which can be taken before resorting to the T is a huge learning point in the development of new official. I've seen many officials simply take a ton of garbage without doing anything, until it reaches the point where a T is warranted, but if they had only known how to step in and handle it earlier, then it would likely not have reached that point and working the contest would have been a much more pleasant experience. |
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Concur!
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