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[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He was working your partner because he knew that he was new. I'm not sure how much damage you would have done by getting this one if your partner didn't do it. Sometimes, newer guys need a bit of help, and this would be such a time, IMO.

Give him a chance to get it, but take care of it if he won't and talk to him later about it.

I would chalk this up to HTBT. I don't know if I would want to come flying all the way across the floor to take care of business. If I was bench side at half court, I might step in.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

I would chalk this up to HTBT. I don't know if I would want to come flying all the way across the floor to take care of business. If I was bench side at half court, I might step in.

I'd be far more inclined to do this for a first year official struggling to realize what's acceptable and what's not than for a 5th year guy who truly needs to find his whistle.

Coach has already shown he doesn't respect your partner, so it's time to force the behavior to change. If I have to take care of the benches myself so my partner can focus on the court, no biggie.

[Jimmie24]

I agree with Snaq.

I would've made my way over in the first half and asked the coach to back off the rookie. Let him know that was enough. Talk about it at half time letting the rook know that it is okay to sit the coach down. If he doesn't then it is your turn.

[Adam]

I'm not sure I would have told him to back off (I'm assuming you wouldn't use the word "rookie" when talking to the coach) my partner. If he's not doing anything directly T-worthy, I'll let my partner make his own decisions. The final situation in the OP, however, begs for a T and it needs to be called.

By not calling it, the partner would have established himself as unsure and easily controlled. Coming in to get it prevents that, IMO.

[Refk]

We did talk at half about the coach's behavior. He said that it wasn't really "T" worthy but was getting worse.

I told him that he could handle it howerver he felt necessary or as I had the previous game.... Coach was complaining in first quarter of game, I had warned the coach (calmly and professionally that anymore comments on the officiating and he would be T'd up)...... coach settled down and coached his kids to a win. At halftime of that game I discussed with this partner exactly the conversation and how I handled it so he might have it as a future reference.


After this game he said that he was "handling" it by first asking him to get back in coach's box but then it went downhill from there.

Thanks for the feedback

Refk

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Refk

We did talk at half about the coach's behavior. He said that it wasn't really "T" worthy but was getting worse.

I told him that he could handle it howerver he felt necessary or as I had the previous game.... Coach was complaining in first quarter of game, I had warned the coach (calmly and professionally that anymore comments on the officiating and he would be T'd up)...... coach settled down and coached his kids to a win. At halftime of that game I discussed with this partner exactly the conversation and how I handled it so he might have it as a future reference.


After this game he said that he was "handling" it by first asking him to get back in coach's box but then it went downhill from there.

Thanks for the feedback

Refk

The way the coach answered your partner needs to be addressed (whack!). It sounds like he might not of known that the coach crossed the line.

It sounds he was handling it nicely by asking the coach to help him out and get back in the coaching box. However, when he said "NO I won't", then he was trying to show up your partner and he crossed the line.

In the end, sounds like something was learned from the situation.

+1 for whacking a coach who was out of line.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Refk

We did talk at half about the coach's behavior. He said that it wasn't really "T" worthy but was getting worse.

That is the fundamental misconception that he must be made to understand. He believes that such behavior from a coach is okay. Since he is a new official, you need to help him learn that it is not.

I would ask him if he felt that the coach's comments to him during the first half were beneficial to the game, and if he enjoyed being constantly harped on. Then I would inform him that this will not only continue, but will get worse until he decides to do something about it.

Obviously, he doesn't have to T right away. There are other techniques which an official can use to control the behavior of a coach and knowing that there are middle-of-the-road actions which can be taken before resorting to the T is a huge learning point in the development of new official. I've seen many officials simply take a ton of garbage without doing anything, until it reaches the point where a T is warranted, but if they had only known how to step in and handle it earlier, then it would likely not have reached that point and working the contest would have been a much more pleasant experience.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That is the fundamental misconception that he must be made to understand. He believes that such behavior from a coach is okay. Since he is a new official, you need to help him learn that it is not.

I would ask him if he felt that the coach's comments to him during the first half were beneficial to the game, and if he enjoyed being constantly harped on. Then I would inform him that this will not only continue, but will get worse until he decides to do something about it.

Obviously, he doesn't have to T right away. There are other techniques which an official can use to control the behavior of a coach and knowing that there are middle-of-the-road actions which can be taken before resorting to the T is a huge learning point in the development of new official. I've seen many officials simply take a ton of garbage without doing anything, until it reaches the point where a T is warranted, but if they had only known how to step in and handle it earlier, then it would likely not have reached that point and working the contest would have been a much more pleasant experience.

Our state official at our annual clinic this yr just shook her head and said she didn't know why so many of us took all the crap we did from the coaches. She told us to deal with it sooner......!