How many mistakes?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Since the play was dead, the correct call would be a technical foul. An intentional foul involves contact during a live ball.

Can't it be both, or am I screwing this up like I screwed up an intentional flagrant foul a few weeks ago on the NFHS forum? Boy, did I get schooled by Woody on that.

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=002210

4-19-3: An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

4-19-5-c: A technical foul is: An intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead, except a foul by an airborne shooter.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Can't it be both, or am I screwing this up like I screwed up an intentional flagrant foul a few weeks ago on the NFHS forum? Boy, did I get schooled by Woody on that.

NFHS Forum: flagrant foul reporting

4-19-3: An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

4-19-5-c: A technical foul is: An intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead, except a foul by an airborne shooter.

I would like to see these definitions changed. In my experience, when we say intentional we mean an intentional personal foul. This is obviously quite significant since the penalty for the foul changes dramatically. A technical foul is a technical foul, one example of which is intentional dead ball contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I would like to see these definitions changed.

While your at it, please change this definition also:

4-19-4: A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional.

Yet, there is no such animal as an intentional flagrant foul. In this rule, the word intentional means the dictionary definition of intentional (having to do with intention or purpose, done purposely, intended), not the rulebook definition of intentional (an intentional foul is a personal or technical foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position. Contact away from the ball or when not making a legitimate attempt to play the ball or a player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting, shall be intentional. Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent)

On the NFHS forum, when Woody talks, people listen. He kind of reminds me of JurassicReferee, who used to post on this Forum, may he rest in peace.