Foul or No Foul?

[referee99]

... that the thrower was going to shoot his 2nd?
I never heard a horn with that dramatic music playing, but....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by referee99

That the thrower was going to shoot his 2nd? I never heard a horn with that dramatic music playing, but....

I did see all zeros on the game clock, and no rebounders on the lanes, so the game horn must have sounded. In fact if you listen carefully, you can hear the horn sound a split second after the whistle (which can lead to another question). I wondered the same thing. It looks like the trail is signaling a second shot, and the lead hangs around to get the ball back after it ended up in the hands of the shooter. In any case, the two officials don't seem to be "heading out of Dodge" in any big hurry. Of course, the home team did win, so maybe they wanted to stick around to take their bows.

Now, who wants to post something about the split second difference? Let the games, and the fun, begin.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by referee99

... that the thrower was going to shoot his 2nd?
I never heard a horn with that dramatic music playing, but....

But, assuming that there was not another call made that the video does not show, we know that the horn did indeed sound. And how do we know this?

Raise your hand. Don't shout out the answer, Billy.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by imgrund

Bad Zebra - Obviously you're unfamiliar with the term 'pinned' since it's not in the NFHS rule book or case book. Try to think a little outside the box.

BktBallRef: One official may not OVERRULE the other? Tell me then what happens if 1 official calls block and one calls charge and each is 100% adamant about their call and unwilling to change? According to your logic it's a stalemate and the game is stopped right there.

And you are definitely one confused and ignorant official. A jump/held ball is indicated by the 'jump-ball' signal. Are you that ignorant of NFHS terminology? I can already tell you're one of those refs that wants the focus
of any game on himself. See http://www.nfhs.org/Workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2867 for more
info on basic terminology. Apparently scorers and timers know more than yoursef.

I was thinking we (officials) should start a Dumbest Fan Post Award. This is positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the DUMBEST post I've ever read! A third grader could have called that foul!! Go away Butt-Boy!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

I was thinking we (officials) should start a Dumbest Fan Post Award. This is positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the DUMBEST post I've ever read!

You've only been around for two years, and only have 100 posts. There have been much dumber posts. Much, much dumber. Old School was my favorite. JurassicReferee finally scared him away.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You've only been around for two years, and only have 100 posts. There have been much dumber posts. Much, much dumber. Old School was my favorite. JurassicReferee finally scared him away.

Which begs the question...Is it worse to knowingly act as a troll or to be oblivious as to one's condition??

[biggravy]

and where has chseagle been?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Which begs the question...Is it worse to knowingly act as a troll or to be oblivious as to one's condition??

Good one. Especially after so many hints and outright statements indicating the behavior have been made.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Which begs the question...

No, it doesn't.

Beg The Question // Get it right.

[Adam]

I wonder sometimes if these people aren't just bored and purposefully stupid. It's like throwing red meat into a dog kennel.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by imgrund

BktBallRef: One official may not OVERRULE the other? Tell me then what happens if 1 official calls block and one calls charge and each is 100% adamant about their call and unwilling to change? According to your logic it's a stalemate and the game is stopped right there.

And you are definitely one confused and ignorant official. A jump/held ball is indicated by the 'jump-ball' signal. Are you that ignorant of NFHS terminology? I can already tell you're one of those refs that wants the focus of any game on himself. See http://www.nfhs.org/Workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2867 for more
info on basic terminology. Apparently scorers and timers know more than yoursef.

Children should be seen, not heard.

When one official calls a block and another calls a player control foul, it's reported as a double foul.


4.19.8 SITUATION C:

A1 drives for a try and jumps and releases the ball.

Contact occurs between A1 and B1 after the release and before airborne shooter A1 returns one foot to the floor. One official calls a blocking foul on B1 and the other official calls a charging foul on A1. The try is successful.

RULING: Even though airborne shooter A1 committed a charging foul, it is not a player-control foul because the two fouls result in a double personal foul. The double foul does not cause the ball to become dead on the try and the goal is scored. Play is resumed at the point of interruption, which is a throw-in for Team B from anywhere along the end line. (4-36)

2-6
No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

A jump ball is when the referee tosses the ball to start the game or an overtime.

4-28-1
A jump ball is a method of putting the ball into play to start the game and each extra period by tossing it up between two opponents in the center restraining circle, or as in 7-3 before the alternating-possession procedure has been established.

4-25
A held ball occurs when:
ART. 1 . . . Opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.
ART. 2 . . . An opponent places his/her hand(s) on the ball and prevents an airborne player from throwing the ball or releasing it on a try.

Any other questions?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jallen

not much to argue about, the call was right and solid. However, the ref should have done a better job of selling it. He knows how much time there is, he looks up at 18 sec. We have an expression here, "referee the key", he is way to far out. those are things an evaluator should deal with.
the call was solid tho, pass on it means you decide the game. The kids worked hard to penetrate the key and get a shot off, they deserve the foul call

Actually, he's in the best possible position given 2-whistle realities. With a third whistle, this would be the C's call. Lead doesn't have a chance to come across, so his best chance is to stay wide so he doesn't get too close. In reality, he's got a great angle on this play. He's deep enough not to get straightlined by any other players.

[Smitty]

On a lighter note, I love the dramatic music during the free throw.