Foul or No Foul?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by imgrund

Bad Zebra - Obviously you're unfamiliar with the term 'pinned' since it's not in the NFHS rule book or case book. Try to think a little outside the box.

OK Enlightened One. Bring us out of the dark abyss of ignorance and tell us whether by "pinned" you mean HELD BALL between two players or "pinned" against the backboard on a blocked shot attempt.

In either case, there's no evidence in the video. But we're glad that you stopped by for this teaching moment and shared your obviously vast officiating expertise. We'll all be better for it and sure to make the right call the next time we do a game that you're attending.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by imgrund

Bad Zebra - Obviously you're unfamiliar with the term 'pinned' since it's not in the NFHS rule book or case book. Try to think a little outside the box.

BktBallRef: One official may not OVERRULE the other? Tell me then what happens if 1 official calls block and one calls charge and each is 100% adamant about their call and unwilling to change? According to your logic it's a stalemate and the game is stopped right there.

And you are definitely one confused and ignorant official. A jump/held ball is indicated by the 'jump-ball' signal. Are you that ignorant of NFHS terminology? I can already tell you're one of those refs that wants the focus
of any game on himself. See http://www.nfhs.org/Workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2867 for more
info on basic terminology. Apparently scorers and timers know more than yoursef.

I was thinking we (officials) should start a Dumbest Fan Post Award. This is positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the DUMBEST post I've ever read! A third grader could have called that foul!! Go away Butt-Boy!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by imgrund

BktBallRef: One official may not OVERRULE the other? Tell me then what happens if 1 official calls block and one calls charge and each is 100% adamant about their call and unwilling to change? According to your logic it's a stalemate and the game is stopped right there.

And you are definitely one confused and ignorant official. A jump/held ball is indicated by the 'jump-ball' signal. Are you that ignorant of NFHS terminology? I can already tell you're one of those refs that wants the focus of any game on himself. See http://www.nfhs.org/Workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2867 for more
info on basic terminology. Apparently scorers and timers know more than yoursef.

Children should be seen, not heard.

When one official calls a block and another calls a player control foul, it's reported as a double foul.


4.19.8 SITUATION C:

A1 drives for a try and jumps and releases the ball.

Contact occurs between A1 and B1 after the release and before airborne shooter A1 returns one foot to the floor. One official calls a blocking foul on B1 and the other official calls a charging foul on A1. The try is successful.

RULING: Even though airborne shooter A1 committed a charging foul, it is not a player-control foul because the two fouls result in a double personal foul. The double foul does not cause the ball to become dead on the try and the goal is scored. Play is resumed at the point of interruption, which is a throw-in for Team B from anywhere along the end line. (4-36)

2-6
No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

A jump ball is when the referee tosses the ball to start the game or an overtime.

4-28-1
A jump ball is a method of putting the ball into play to start the game and each extra period by tossing it up between two opponents in the center restraining circle, or as in 7-3 before the alternating-possession procedure has been established.

4-25
A held ball occurs when:
ART. 1 . . . Opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.
ART. 2 . . . An opponent places his/her hand(s) on the ball and prevents an airborne player from throwing the ball or releasing it on a try.

Any other questions?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jallen

not much to argue about, the call was right and solid. However, the ref should have done a better job of selling it. He knows how much time there is, he looks up at 18 sec. We have an expression here, "referee the key", he is way to far out. those are things an evaluator should deal with.
the call was solid tho, pass on it means you decide the game. The kids worked hard to penetrate the key and get a shot off, they deserve the foul call

Actually, he's in the best possible position given 2-whistle realities. With a third whistle, this would be the C's call. Lead doesn't have a chance to come across, so his best chance is to stay wide so he doesn't get too close. In reality, he's got a great angle on this play. He's deep enough not to get straightlined by any other players.

[Smitty]

On a lighter note, I love the dramatic music during the free throw.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by imgrund

I figured the call should not have been made for the following reasons:

1) The ref under the net should never be making this call. Doesn't the other ref have a better view of the play?

2) When the score if 57-57 with under 20 seconds to go, unless there's blood or an egregious foul, I'd never blow my whistle!

If anything, in a case like this, if I were the other ref, I would have overruled the ref under the net and either called 'jump ball' (as the ball was pinned) or 'inadvertent whistle'.

It was an easy call to make. Do people really want it to be open season on the last possession after playing the rest of the game a completely different way? I guess if you're on the "wrong" side of the call, you do.

I think the positioning is about as good as it gets for 2 person. Solid call, although he might have sold it a bit more.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It was an easy call to make. Do people really want it to be open season on the last possession after playing the rest of the game a completely different way? I guess if you're on the "wrong" side of the call, you do.

I think the positioning is about as good as it gets for 2 person. Solid call, although he might have sold it a bit more.

Agreed! I saw nothing wrong through out the play.

[Adam]

I'd say it was an outstanding call, but frankly it was an easy call. Any ref who wouldn't make that call just because the game is close should hang up his whistle and announce to the world that he is a coward.

Any ref who would try to overrule the calling official on this would never work this level of basketball, so that's not really relevant.