How would you have called this

[GoodwillRef]

your partner just lost all credibility once you came and talked him out of the foul. Poor choice on your part. We have all made bad calls we want back, but if my partner ever came over like you did the ambulance would be for him after the game and not gramps..

[howie719]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

your partner just lost all credibility once you came and talked him out of the foul. Poor choice on your part. We have all made bad calls we want back, but if my partner ever came over like you did the ambulance would be for him after the game and not gramps..

As a combatives instructor and being able to bench over 300lbs.....I doubt it. He had already lost any creditbility when he made a fantom call 40+ FT away right in front of me. I still say I should have let it go. But getting it right wasn't as poor of a choice as you say in my book. The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP. The last thing you should be worried about is me telling you something everyone else saw but you.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by howie719

The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP. The last thing you should be worried about is me telling you something everyone else saw but you.

This kind of attitude ought to keep you working freshman games for a long time.

[howie719]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This kind of attitude ought to keep you working freshman games for a long time.

Really? How do you figure? I work when I am open. Everything from V down to 5th grade (I like officiating basketball). Apparently you can't read. I said I should have done nothing in retrospect. I asked him if he wanted help...I didn't make him do anything. It wasn't me who said that I would need and ambulance after the game. It was some other poster.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This kind of attitude ought to keep you working freshman games for a long time.

It ought to, but from my experience it usually doesn't....

[howie719]

I never asked for anyone to agree with me. I believe I admitted I should have let it go. The only thing I questioned was someone saying I would need an ambulance after the game if I did that to them. Is that what you call positive feed back Bob? Or intimating that freshman games are all I will ever progress to. Or that crappy officials like me still slip through the cracks. Is that the high powered intellect you’re talking about Bob? There are a lot of really good officials on this site. Several of whom need to smell some of what there shoveling. At no point in this thread did I ever question anyone’s criticism. This was RE-DAM-DICULOUS.

[Adam]

Actually, you've gone back and forth from admitting you should have let it go to defending what you did by saying you were being compassionate. Your intentions may have been kind, but the results were not.

[Smitty]

You said:

Originally Posted by howie719

The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP.

You should not question your partner's judgment during the game. You have a chip on your shoulder. Good luck.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by howie719

As a combatives instructor and being able to bench over 300lbs.....I doubt it. He had already lost any creditbility when he made a fantom call 40+ FT away right in front of me. I still say I should have let it go. But getting it right wasn't as poor of a choice as you say in my book. The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP. The last thing you should be worried about is me telling you something everyone else saw but you.

I'm confused.

You seemed to come here wanting feedback. Now that it doesn't agree with what you wanted to hear, you don't want it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by howie719

As a combatives instructor and being able to bench over 300lbs.....I doubt it. He had already lost any creditbility when he made a fantom call 40+ FT away right in front of me. I still say I should have let it go. But getting it right wasn't as poor of a choice as you say in my book. The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP. The last thing you should be worried about is me telling you something everyone else saw but you.

Here's what the coach sees.
1. new official makes a call I don't like from a long way away.
2. I throw a fit.
3. His partner approaches him and they change the call, after it was reported.
4. Rather than follow the rules, the officials decide to give the ball to the other team to mitigate the anticipated negative reaction from the other coach.

Coach has learned a few lessons here.
1. Official #2 doesn't trust official #1.
2. Official #1 is new and unsure of himself.
3. Official #2 will bend the rules to please the coach.
4. Both of these guys can be "worked."

If I was either coach, I'd be working you all game long.

Your partner may have damaged his credibility with this call, but you signed off on it. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't throw him under the bus, you drove it.

If I screw up and make a call like that (it happens, unfortunately), I'll apologize to you before you get a chance to say anything. OTOH, if you pull a stunt like that on the court, I'm going to GIGDGO mode.

The ambulance comment was, obviously, a bit of overkill to drive home a point.

And FWIW, if the coach were to ask me about a call like this that my partner made, my answer will not include "I didn't blow the whistle." That's all but telling him, in subtle but understood language, that you didn't agree. I suppose that may depend on your tone when you said it, but that's how I'd take it.

Personally, I'd rather not work with a bus driver.