How would you have called this

[howie719]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I probably would have let him eat it and talked about it at halftime or post-game. Since you went to him and changed a call you could possibly open the door for the coach wanting you to get together on every call now that you've done it once. But, you learned from it...

I am a little confused about the arrow too. Who had the arrow before the "foul"?

The arrow was going the other way. So he loses the shooting foul and the ball. I not saying what I did was correct. I know is wasn't. Either we correct the mistake and go with the arrow. Or I let him eat it. In hind site I should have went with letting him eat it.

[representing]

Originally Posted by howie719

The arrow was going the other way. So he loses the shooting foul and the ball. I not saying what I did was correct. I know is wasn't. Either we correct the mistake and go with the arrow. Or I let him eat it. In hind site I should have went with letting him eat it.

I would have let him eat it, but that all depends on how the other official is.

If I'm officiating with a rookie, and he makes a mistake, I simply just walk to him, tell him that he simply messed up, and then I'll go to the coaches and take the heat from them instead of the rookie.

If I'm officiating with an official that has been around for a while, and we get along, I'd talk with him.

Now if it's a stubborn, I'm-better-than-anyone kind of official, like who I was with last saturday for my buzzer shot before halftime situation, then I'd just let them eat it and walk away. If coaches ask me, I'll just simply say "Ask him/her, I didn't blow the whistle".

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by representing

If I'm officiating with a rookie, and he makes a mistake, I simply just walk to him, tell him that he simply messed up, and then I'll go to the coaches and take the heat from them instead of the rookie.

I'm not sure I care for that approach on a call that is simply poor judgment.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm not sure I care for that approach on a call that is simply poor judgment.

I just show a little compassion. I know when I was a rookie I've made the same mistakes that I'm seeing rookies do today. Don't you remember when you first started, how nervous you were about your first few days and such? Gotta be willing to help out as long as they want to be helped out.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by representing

I just show a little compassion.

No you're not, you're tossing your partner under the bus and then backing it up over him a few times.

Don't you remember when you first started, how nervous you were about your first few days and such?

I do actually...that would've been back in mid November of this year. I certainly hope a partner doesn't do that to me on a play they've deemed I have applied bad judgment.

When I started umpiring baseball 13 years ago, none of the veterans ever did that to me when I did kick a call (and I did). I've never done that to a rookie, it doesn't help him learn. It only undermines him.

I understand you think you're doing the right thing, but I simply cannot agree that it is the proper way to handle a situation like this.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by representing

If I'm officiating with a rookie, and he makes a mistake, I simply just walk to him, tell him that he simply messed up, and then I'll go to the coaches and take the heat from them instead of the rookie.

This is awful. Talk about arrogant...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

I would have let him eat it, but that all depends on how the other official is.

If I'm officiating with a rookie, and he makes a mistake, I simply just walk to him, tell him that he simply messed up, and then I'll go to the coaches and take the heat from them instead of the rookie.
If I'm officiating with an official that has been around for a while, and we get along, I'd talk with him.

Now if it's a stubborn, I'm-better-than-anyone kind of official, like who I was with last saturday for my buzzer shot before halftime situation, then I'd just let them eat it and walk away. If coaches ask me, I'll just simply say "Ask him/her, I didn't blow the whistle".

1. You realize that by doing this, you've thrown your partner under the bus, right? You've just let the coach know he's a rookie and/or you don't trust him. Way to go, partner.

2. When my partners call a foul in front of me, I assume they saw something I didn't and let it go. If I disagree with the call, I'll talk to him later.

3. Good grief.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1. You realize that by doing this, you've thrown your partner under the bus, right? You've just let the coach know he's a rookie and/or you don't trust him. Way to go, partner.

2. When my partners call a foul in front of me, I assume they saw something I didn't and let it go. If I disagree with the call, I'll talk to him later.

3. Good grief.

So what does the "representing stand for?" I highly doubt it's officiating the game of basketball. Many of your reponses are ridiculous and mirror someone who enjoys the authority. I see you as a young (and to me that would be under 35) male starved for the admiration of others.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by j51969

So what does the "representing stand for?" I highly doubt it's officiating the game of basketball. Many of your reponses are ridiculous and mirror someone who enjoys the authority. I see you as a young (and to me that would be under 35) male starved for the admiration of others.

Pulling out my best Deniro (which is bad), "You talking to me?"

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Pulling out my best Deniro (which is bad), "You talking to me?"

No the Mr "Representing"

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by howie719

Either we correct the mistake

The only mistake was that you decided to go talk him out of his call. He called a foul. Your job is not to go talk him out of the foul. If you want to talk about what he saw, save it for the locker room.

[GoodwillRef]

your partner just lost all credibility once you came and talked him out of the foul. Poor choice on your part. We have all made bad calls we want back, but if my partner ever came over like you did the ambulance would be for him after the game and not gramps..

[howie719]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

your partner just lost all credibility once you came and talked him out of the foul. Poor choice on your part. We have all made bad calls we want back, but if my partner ever came over like you did the ambulance would be for him after the game and not gramps..

As a combatives instructor and being able to bench over 300lbs.....I doubt it. He had already lost any creditbility when he made a fantom call 40+ FT away right in front of me. I still say I should have let it go. But getting it right wasn't as poor of a choice as you say in my book. The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP. The last thing you should be worried about is me telling you something everyone else saw but you.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by howie719

The only thing I did wrong was pussing out and not using the AP. The last thing you should be worried about is me telling you something everyone else saw but you.

This kind of attitude ought to keep you working freshman games for a long time.

[howie719]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This kind of attitude ought to keep you working freshman games for a long time.

Really? How do you figure? I work when I am open. Everything from V down to 5th grade (I like officiating basketball). Apparently you can't read. I said I should have done nothing in retrospect. I asked him if he wanted help...I didn't make him do anything. It wasn't me who said that I would need and ambulance after the game. It was some other poster.