Elbow Pad

[representing]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not true. Those sleeves are completely legal and to be assumed to be worn for medical purposes. There is nothing in the rule that says a doctor must subscribe them to be worn or better yet, nothing that says a note must be produced. Unless your jurisdiction wants this, you do not even have to verify this information.

You're partially right. While it should be assumed that it is for medical purposes, that's the only reason for it to be legal. BUT, if it is used for adornment, then it is illegal. Those arm sleeves are popular on the market ever since Allen Iverson has started wearing one when he was first with the Sixers.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The only things that cannot be worn in the elbow are wristbands (outside of this discussion) that I have ever seen made clear in the past two years. Wearing and elbow pad (designed by for the elbow) is perfectly legal. There are also some descriptions of this in the Simplified and Illustrated book. You either did not read the rule correctly or you are assuming what is illegal.

Peace

Ok, I'm not so sure about elbow pads anymore. I don't think "pads" fit under "guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves" under rule 3.5.2. However, it doesn't say anything about whether pads are legal or not. So, I I couldn't tell you whether they are legal or not. For now, I will take your word until I talk with the chapter rules interpreter at our next meeting.

But like it was said earlier, elbow pads are very rare, I don't think I've seen an elbow pad in the 6 years I've been officiating. I have seen knee pads, but only in youth leagues on floors that are old, wooden and hard, and will cause floor burns on your body when sliding.

[BillyMac]

Here in my little corner of the Provisions State, if a player is in the warmup line wearing tape on an earlobe, we have been told to ask the player if there is a earring under the tape. If he, or she, replies, "Yes", then we are to inform them that they will not be allowed to play or warmup, with earrings. On the other hand, if the player replies, "No", then we have been told to end the discussion right then and there, and he, or she, continues to warmup, and plays in the game.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Just Let Me Take A Little Peak Under There...

Here in my little corner of the Provisions State, if a player is in the warmup line wearing tape on an earlobe, we have been told to ask the player if there is a earring under the tape. If he, or she, replies, "Yes", then we are to inform them that they will not be allowed to play or warmup, with earrings. On the other hand, if the player replies, "No", then we have been told to end the discussion right then and there, and he, or she, continues to warmup, and plays in the game.

that is all..

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

You're partially right. While it should be assumed that it is for medical purposes, that's the only reason for it to be legal. BUT, if it is used for adornment, then it is illegal. Those arm sleeves are popular on the market ever since Allen Iverson has started wearing one when he was first with the Sixers.

You say he's partially right. Where was he wrong?
Jrut makes a good point. The rule says it must be worn for medical reasons, not that it must be prescribed by a doctor. What if the kid has a 2nd degree burn on his arm? He won't see a doctor, but the trainer might have the sleeves around that will protect it.
What if he just got a tattoo and needs to protect it from his sweat? Again, the compression sleeve works well to prevent infection here. I take Nyquil for medical reasons but it's never been prescribed to me.

Nothing says it has to be a prescribed device.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by representing

You're partially right. While it should be assumed that it is for medical purposes, that's the only reason for it to be legal. BUT, if it is used for adornment, then it is illegal. Those arm sleeves are popular on the market ever since Allen Iverson has started wearing one when he was first with the Sixers.

Once again, you are reading too much into the rule. These are legal unless they are not used for medical purposes. The rule says they are used for medical purposes. Your state might want further confirmation of that, but it is not stated in the actual rule what that confirmation should or should not be. My state we do not have to ask. And that was made clear to us last year when the rule was clarified. Your state has the right to require some level of confirmation and based on what I have read that applies. But if a school from your state comes to my state for a tournament or shootout, I am not asking for a note, nor care to see one. The fact they are wearing it is enough for me as the rule is currently written.

Originally Posted by representing

Ok, I'm not so sure about elbow pads anymore. I don't think "pads" fit under "guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves" under rule 3.5.2. However, it doesn't say anything about whether pads are legal or not. So, I I couldn't tell you whether they are legal or not. For now, I will take your word until I talk with the chapter rules interpreter at our next meeting.

Here is a general standard you should use. Unless there is a rule that makes it illegal, it is legal. So if a pad is made for the elbow and worn on the elbow, it is legal.

Originally Posted by representing

But like it was said earlier, elbow pads are very rare, I don't think I've seen an elbow pad in the 6 years I've been officiating. I have seen knee pads, but only in youth leagues on floors that are old, wooden and hard, and will cause floor burns on your body when sliding.

I agree they are rare. But something rarely seen does not make it illegal.

Peace

[representing]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again, you are reading too much into the rule. These are legal unless they are not used for medical purposes. The rule says they are used for medical purposes. Your state might want further confirmation of that, but it is not stated in the actual rule what that confirmation should or should not be. My state we do not have to ask. And that was made clear to us last year when the rule was clarified. Your state has the right to require some level of confirmation and based on what I have read that applies. But if a school from your state comes to my state for a tournament or shootout, I am not asking for a note, nor care to see one. The fact they are wearing it is enough for me as the rule is currently written.




Here is a general standard you should use. Unless there is a rule that makes it illegal, it is legal. So if a pad is made for the elbow and worn on the elbow, it is legal.



I agree they are rare. But something rarely seen does not make it illegal.

Peace

JRut, I'm going to apologize. I realized you are right here, with the examples you've given (fire burn, tattoo, etc). I do remember, though, that it was discussed a year or two ago that a doctor's note is/was needed for certain article of player equipment.

So, again, I apologize, you are right here (I think).

EDIT: Snaq gave those examples, not JRut. I apologize to both of you.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by representing

JRut, I'm going to apologize. I realized you are right here, with the examples you've given (fire burn, tattoo, etc). I do remember, though, that it was discussed a year or two ago that a doctor's note is/was needed for certain article of player equipment.

It might have been needed in PA (and in some other states), but it's not needed in IL (and in some other states).

As you spend more time here, you'll realize that how you (or any of us) do things is not how all of us do things. And, all of us can be "right".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by representing

JRut, I'm going to apologize. I realized you are right here, with the examples you've given (fire burn, tattoo, etc). I do remember, though, that it was discussed a year or two ago that a doctor's note is/was needed for certain article of player equipment.

So, again, I apologize, you are right here (I think).

Do not apologize to me about anything you said here, we are just having a discussion. That is the reason we have these discussions in the first place. We often learn more within these discussions than we do by simply reading the rulebook or casebook. And you might also be using your state's interpretation. No need what so ever to apologize for a discussion that leads you (or me) to the right application.

Do not worry about it. I was just thinking of situations that might not have a doctor's note available. I am assuming this is why the rule was written this way to leave some opening for multiple situations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do not apologize to me about anything you said here, we are just having a discussion.

JRutledge: I'm sorry that representing apologized.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge: I'm sorry that representing apologized.

Now you shut the heck up!!!!

Peace

[jdmara]

It was actually a men's college game I was watching on TV. I can't remember which one it was at the time we were watching at the local drinking establishment. But after we talked about it at the establishment, we figured out where we heard that rule from, it's a NIRSA flag football rule. Thanks for the discussion

-Josh

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge: I'm sorry that representing apologized.

This gets my vote for post o' the week!

[representing]

I'm still a newbie on this forum, so I still got lots to learn. Thanks guys! Looking forward to the next discussion haha.