King for a day

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Coaches should not be allowed to request timeouts during live ball situations. Over the past several years there have been a few points of emphasis regarding coaches calling timeouts during live ball situations, but this hasn’t made the enforcement of this rule any easier. A common situation is where a player is trapped along a boundary, often in a corner, is about to turnover the ball, or is about to be caught in a held ball situation, or is about to commit a five second violation, and the coach requests a timeout to maintain possession of the ball. As officials, we’re watching for fouls, traveling, boundary lines, counting five seconds, etc., a very difficult situation to begin with, and now we hear, usually from behind us, “time out”. We have to make sure that the request came from the head coach, not an assistant coach, or from a parent sitting behind the team bench, and check to make sure that the ball is being held, or dribbled, by a player from that head coach’s team, before we grant the request. Either go back to the old rule only allowing players holding, or dribbling, the ball to request a timeout, or only allow coaches to request timeouts during dead ball situations, including during the dead ball period immediately after a made basket.

I think a big part of the problem is situational awareness. We had one situation last night where a coach was right in front of the L going down the floor asking for a timeout at a logical time and the L didn't notice it. I caught it first from the C opposite the table -- I was looking for it. You can't always know when someone is going to request a timeout, but you should have an idea. Good official, too, just didn't hear the coach. I was looking across for it.

I'm on the opposite side here. I'd hate to know a coach wanted a timeout and have to wait until he/she got the player's attention in order to grant it. I remember those days. Now is better.

Eliminate all live ball timeouts? I'd go for that.

We have 16-minute halves as an option in non-conference games this season. No incentive for the coaches, really. It costs them 2 free 60-second timeouts. If we'd given them each an extra 30-second timeout or required a "media timeout" in each half at the first dead ball under 8 minutes, we'd see more teams try it out, I think. I'd like this -- 2 less last second shot possibilities and two less AP situations.

[constable]

Getting rid of jump balls period? Not a fan of that idea at all. One jump ball a game ( not counting any overtime or a re-toss) shouldn't really be an issue. There is nothing wrong with a jump ball to start the game and overtimes.

I had my first game that didn't start with a jump ball in a long time yesterday- kid in a JV game dunked ( twice, first one he was spoken too) in the warm up- that's a silly rule. I know others disagree with me.

Another rule I know others disagree with me on is seeing an player disqualified for a flagrant foul have to leave the bench and goto the dressing room.

The ability for teams to mutually agree on the colour of their uniforms ( home in dark, away in white) seems only natural to me.

I prefer people being able to enter the lane on release of the ball, but I believe NHFS changed that about 10 years ago or so to clean up rough play.

OH YA- shot clocks. Shot clocks make for such a better game. In going from FIBA with a 24 second shot clock to Fed with an 4 8 minute shot clocks, it is such a better game.

So if I could change only one rule, it would be the implementation of shot clocks for all high school and up games.

[j51969]

I remember quite some time ago I did a pre-season G tournament in Iowa where they experimented with the shot clock. It worked well, but we did have some issues with the personnel running the clock at times. There would be a rather big learning curve for officials and the table getting started. Can't say I remember what ever came of it. Anyone from Iowa have anything?

[jalons]

Originally Posted by j51969

I remember quite some time ago I did a pre-season G tournament in Iowa where they experimented with the shot clock. It worked well, but we did have some issues with the personnel running the clock at times. There would be a rather big learning curve for officials and the table getting started. Can't say I remember what ever came of it. Anyone from Iowa have anything?

I do not remember the Girls' Union ever attempting to implement the shot clock. I can only imagine the melees this would cause with the table crews and officials in the state. The schools would also hide behind the initial cost of the setup if this was ever brought up for discussion.

The Girls' Union is allowing the teams to play two sixteen minute halves in non-conference games in both coaches agree. Each conference can adopt this change, if every school agrees. I have heard of a few schools experimenting with this change but I have not been involved in any high school game playing two halves. I would vote for the change to eliminate the quarter break during each half.

The Girls' Union did require a coin toss during my short officiating career. I worked a junior high travel-ball tournament during that time with a team from Minneapolis playing a team from Kansas City. We were using NFHS rules with the Iowa adaptations. At the captain's meeting I asked the visiting team (on the scoreboard) to call the coin toss. She looked at me and asked "are you f@cking kidding me?" My first response was, "I wish I was."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jalons

I do not remember the Girls' Union ever attempting to implement the shot clock. I can only imagine the melees this would cause with the table crews and officials in the state. The schools would also hide behind the initial cost of the setup if this was ever brought up for discussion.

The Girls' Union is allowing the teams to play two sixteen minute halves in non-conference games in both coaches agree. Each conference can adopt this change, if every school agrees. I have heard of a few schools experimenting with this change but I have not been involved in any high school game playing two halves. I would vote for the change to eliminate the quarter break during each half.

The Girls' Union did require a coin toss during my short officiating career. I worked a junior high travel-ball tournament during that time with a team from Minneapolis playing a team from Kansas City. We were using NFHS rules with the Iowa adaptations. At the captain's meeting I asked the visiting team (on the scoreboard) to call the coin toss. She looked at me and asked "are you f@cking kidding me?" My first response was, "I wish I was."

If I heard a girl in junior high respond that way during a captains meeting, I would be too stunned to speak.

[Adam]

How do you not call this T?
I worked plenty of those tourneys when I was there, and that would have been a quick one.

"Never mind the coin toss."
Indirect to the coach, two shots, ball. Much easier that way.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How do you not call this T?
I worked plenty of those tourneys when I was there, and that would have been a quick one.

"Never mind the coin toss."
Indirect to the coach, two shots, ball. Much easier that way.

I thought that we granted an exception when the person is correct.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How do you not call this T?
I worked plenty of those tourneys when I was there, and that would have been a quick one.

"Never mind the coin toss."
Indirect to the coach, two shots, ball. Much easier that way.

Careful: you'll talk BillyMac out of the coin toss.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by constable

OH YA- shot clocks. Shot clocks make for such a better game. In going from FIBA with a 24 second shot clock to Fed with an 4 8 minute shot clocks, it is such a better game.

So if I could change only one rule, it would be the implementation of shot clocks for all high school and up games.

• I agree, a 48 minute shot clock would be ideal. (I know, I know, he was being sarcastic about 4 x 8 minute quarters.) But schools are in $$ trouble already. Install shot clocks AND find decent operators? Hold on that please....
  
  
• FT lane restrictions end on release.
  
  
• If the opposing coach yells "I want a time out next time we have the ball" to the official while he runs past the coach, while my player is on a fast break, that causes an inadvertant whistle stopping my break, he gets a T for unsporting.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

If the opposing coach yells "I want a time out next time we have the ball" to the official while he runs past the coach, while my player is on a fast break, that causes an inadvertant whistle stopping my break, he gets a T for unsporting.

How often does this ever happen in a Varsity game? This is silly.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

How often does this ever happen in a Varsity game? This is silly.

Last night...except for the T part....

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Last night...except for the T part....

You must have had a moron for an official then. What coach in his right mind would call a timeout while his team has a fast break? Knowing this, any reputable varsity official would think to look and make sure the correct coach actually requested a timeout. I assume this was the new trail as the new lead would have been closer to you at the time?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

You must have had a moron for an official then.

I wondered that a couple times. But it was 2 man so double that.

Originally Posted by Smitty

What coach in his right mind would call a timeout while his team has a fast break?

Not me.

Originally Posted by Smitty

Knowing this, any reputable varsity official would think to look and make sure the correct coach actually requested a timeout. I assume this was the new trail as the new lead would have been closer to you at the time?

No, it was first half and my player already passed me on the sideline with a 2 on 2 break. The original trail saw the steal and was passing the other coach by then and had the IW.

The other coach was mad at them earlier in the game when his TO request went unheard and was trying to make a point since there was an official running by him. It was bang bang and considering the previous circumstances, I don't blame the guy for the IW. I blame the other coach.

If he can coax an inadvertant whistle, to stop a play and set up his 1-3-1 trap at 1/2 court.... then I think causing an IW that way should be a T.

[JRutledge]

Get rid of the current coaches box and let coaches use a college style box. Then when they get T'd, they can sit down like the current rule. Then they have no excuse for getting stuck.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by constable

Getting rid of jump balls period? Not a fan of that idea at all. One jump ball a game ( not counting any overtime or a re-toss) shouldn't really be an issue. There is nothing wrong with a jump ball to start the game and overtimes.

I had my first game that didn't start with a jump ball in a long time yesterday- kid in a JV game dunked ( twice, first one he was spoken too) in the warm up- that's a silly rule. I know others disagree with me.

Another rule I know others disagree with me on is seeing an player disqualified for a flagrant foul have to leave the bench and goto the dressing room.

The ability for teams to mutually agree on the colour of their uniforms ( home in dark, away in white) seems only natural to me.

I prefer people being able to enter the lane on release of the ball, but I believe NHFS changed that about 10 years ago or so to clean up rough play.

OH YA- shot clocks. Shot clocks make for such a better game. In going from FIBA with a 24 second shot clock to Fed with an 4 8 minute shot clocks, it is such a better game.

So if I could change only one rule, it would be the implementation of shot clocks for all high school and up games.

Constable,

You should move down here to Washington State then. We have a 30-second shot clock for girls, & a 35-second shot clock for boys. The WIAA amended the Boys' shot clock regulation just over the summer. It's been interesting to see the coaches getting used to the shot clock & the style of play has evolved from it.