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[Clark Kent]

Does anyone know where I'd find the references to these situations, or am I not finding the reference because there is no such rule (e.g. #3)?

1. A1 violates when a pass by A1 touches B1 who is standing on a sideline.

2. It is a violation if A1 drives for a loose ball and gains control on the floor.

3. While guarding, there is a minimum distance of one foot required between the guard and the opponent.

[Raymond]

Don't have my books on me, but each one these can be referenced in the rule book.

#1 ,#2 & #3 will be refuted by the rule book.


Fixed it as I was not reading well today.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Don't have my books on me, but each one these can be referenced in the rule book.

#1 will be confirmed in the rule book.

#2 & #3 will be refuted by the rule book.

Thanks. I'll hit the books again then!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

1. A1 violates when a pass by A1 touches B1 who is standing on a sideline.

It is actually the opposite. The OOB violation is on B1 for causing the ball to be out of bounds. 7-2-2 is your reference.

2. It is a violation if A1 drives for a loose ball and gains control on the floor.

This is not a violation. A player is allowed to gain control on the floor and slide to a stop. 4-44-5 and 4.44.5 Situation B.

3. While guarding, there is a minimum distance of one foot required between the guard and the opponent.

There is no minimum distance requirement. 4-23-1

[cdoug]

Originally Posted by Welpe

A player is allowed to gain control on the floor and slide to a stop. 4-44-5 and 4.44.5 Situation B.

So do I understand right that if a player who slides and end on their stomach/chest cannot get tot their knees to pass the ball and must stay on their stomach/chest in order to pass it? (Of course, if they "want" to travel they can move other than that.)

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by cdoug

So do I understand right that if a player who slides and end on their stomach/chest cannot get tot their knees to pass the ball and must stay on their stomach/chest in order to pass it? (Of course, if they "want" to travel they can move other than that.)

Does this clarify? - - -
4.44.5 SITUATION B: If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling.

Seems that rising to one's knees could be considered the equivalent of attempting to get to his/her feet, right?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Does this clarify? - - -
4.44.5 SITUATION B: If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling.

Seems that rising to one's knees cwould be considered the equivalent of attempting to get to his/her feet, right?

.....yes

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Thanks. I'll hit the books again then!

My original answer for #1 was wrong as I wasn't paying attention very well.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by cdoug

So do I understand right that if a player who slides and end on their stomach/chest cannot get tot their knees to pass the ball and must stay on their stomach/chest in order to pass it? (Of course, if they "want" to travel they can move other than that.)

The way I understand it is a player is allowed to dive for a ball, gain possession and slide as far as his momentum takes him. Once he stops he mustn't change his plane and can dribble, pass, shoot or call TO.

To your question about getting to his knees, that would be a violation. The pivot is the point that is in contact with the floor (when sitting, the rear end). When pivot is changed (to a foot when attempting to stand) a violation has occurred.

I also understand this to be true: A player on the ground violates if he moves so that the plane of his body that is in contact with the floor changes (ie, roll from back to side, roll from front to side, roll from side to back, etc). So no rolling around, basically.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

The way I understand it is a player is allowed to dive for a ball, gain possession and slide as far as his momentum takes him. Once he stops he mustn't change his plane and can dribble, pass, shoot or call request TO.

To your question about getting to his knees, that would be a violation. The pivot is the point that is in contact with the floor (when sitting, the rear end). When pivot is changed (to a foot when attempting to stand) a violation has occurred.

I also understand this to be true: A player on the ground violates if he moves so that the plane of his body that is in contact with the floor changes (ie, roll from back to side, roll from front to side, roll from side to back, etc). So no rolling around, basically.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Does anyone know where I'd find the references to these situations, or am I not finding the reference because there is no such rule (e.g. #3)?

1. A1 violates when a pass by A1 touches B1 who is standing on a sideline.

2. It is a violation if A1 drives for a loose ball and gains control on the floor.

3. While guarding, there is a minimum distance of one foot required between the guard and the opponent.

All three were recent part II NFHS questions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

The way I understand it is a player is allowed to dive for a ball, gain possession and slide as far as his momentum takes him. Once he stops he mustn't change his plane and can dribble, pass, shoot or call TO.

To your question about getting to his knees, that would be a violation. The pivot is the point that is in contact with the floor (when sitting, the rear end). When pivot is changed (to a foot when attempting to stand) a violation has occurred.
I also understand this to be true: A player on the ground violates if he moves so that the plane of his body that is in contact with the floor changes (ie, roll from back to side, roll from front to side, roll from side to back, etc). So no rolling around, basically.

Uhm. Where is this found?

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by tjones1

thanks, I'll get this through my head someday.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Uhm. Where is this found?

Nowhere I guess, just trying to help by putting it in less technical terms. Or maybe I'm just lazy.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Nowhere I guess, just trying to help the newbie by putting it in less technical terms. Or maybe I'm just lazy.

Fair enough.

I think it works fine as a "rule of thumb," but using the term "pivot" can be misleading. It could lead to the impression that an airborne player can catch the ball and then land on his stomach, back, or gluteus maximus as long as he doesn't then change his "pivot." That's not true, as it's a travel.

I had a coach tell me once that his player's cheek became his pivot after I called him for traveling for catching a ball and then landing on his Nevada.